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Attributes | |
ACN | 315921 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 315921 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a visual to runway 17L and were 7 mi behind a 747. At approximately 3500 ft we experienced moderate turbulence and were forced to climb 200 ft to get above his wake. Once clear of the wake the rest of the approach was normal. We requested and got runway 17R which also helped. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was surprised at how far in trail the wake from a 747 could linger. This analyst feels the wake energy deteriorates as a function of time and not distance. The reporter stated he had flaps 15 degrees and gear up. The distance 7 mi behind the 747 was observed on the TCASII and confirmed by ATC. The reporter was the PNF. He said he was in the wake about 6 seconds and encountered a left roll of about 20-30 degrees back to wings level and a right roll 20- 30 degrees and back to level and then the whole sequence repeated before climbing above and escaping the wake. The reporter felt he was pitched about 100 of the 200 ft needed to escape the wake. He said he experienced less than 1 negative 'G' and more than 1 positive 'G' during the encounter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD S80 ENCOUNTERS BOEING 747 WAKE AT 7 MI IN TRAIL AND 170 KTS.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 17L AND WERE 7 MI BEHIND A 747. AT APPROX 3500 FT WE EXPERIENCED MODERATE TURB AND WERE FORCED TO CLB 200 FT TO GET ABOVE HIS WAKE. ONCE CLR OF THE WAKE THE REST OF THE APCH WAS NORMAL. WE REQUESTED AND GOT RWY 17R WHICH ALSO HELPED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS SURPRISED AT HOW FAR IN TRAIL THE WAKE FROM A 747 COULD LINGER. THIS ANALYST FEELS THE WAKE ENERGY DETERIORATES AS A FUNCTION OF TIME AND NOT DISTANCE. THE RPTR STATED HE HAD FLAPS 15 DEGS AND GEAR UP. THE DISTANCE 7 MI BEHIND THE 747 WAS OBSERVED ON THE TCASII AND CONFIRMED BY ATC. THE RPTR WAS THE PNF. HE SAID HE WAS IN THE WAKE ABOUT 6 SECONDS AND ENCOUNTERED A L ROLL OF ABOUT 20-30 DEGS BACK TO WINGS LEVEL AND A R ROLL 20- 30 DEGS AND BACK TO LEVEL AND THEN THE WHOLE SEQUENCE REPEATED BEFORE CLBING ABOVE AND ESCAPING THE WAKE. THE RPTR FELT HE WAS PITCHED ABOUT 100 OF THE 200 FT NEEDED TO ESCAPE THE WAKE. HE SAID HE EXPERIENCED LESS THAN 1 NEGATIVE 'G' AND MORE THAN 1 POSITIVE 'G' DURING THE ENCOUNTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.