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Attributes | |
ACN | 316109 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pdx |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : toa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute airway : zse |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 316109 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I write this to point out a potential gotcha on the river 5 departure. There is quite a note at the top of the chart to not exceed 250 KTS until advised. There is no other mention of this restr in the clearance or from ATC. This is quite different than other airports and very easy to miss. Why is the pdx departure different? Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter expressed concern that the narratives in sids are too cluttered and then when there is not uniformity with a 250 KT speed restr it could be a 'gotcha.' he mentioned that some SID plates have the speed restr right under the title and some bury them in the text toward the middle or bottom of the narrative. He recommends placing the restr right under the title, highlighted or bold print. He also would like ATC to reiterate the restr as a checks and balance as standard procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR SPD DEV NON COMPLIANCE WITH SPD RESTR PRINTED ON SID.
Narrative: I WRITE THIS TO POINT OUT A POTENTIAL GOTCHA ON THE RIVER 5 DEP. THERE IS QUITE A NOTE AT THE TOP OF THE CHART TO NOT EXCEED 250 KTS UNTIL ADVISED. THERE IS NO OTHER MENTION OF THIS RESTR IN THE CLRNC OR FROM ATC. THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER ARPTS AND VERY EASY TO MISS. WHY IS THE PDX DEP DIFFERENT? CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE NARRATIVES IN SIDS ARE TOO CLUTTERED AND THEN WHEN THERE IS NOT UNIFORMITY WITH A 250 KT SPD RESTR IT COULD BE A 'GOTCHA.' HE MENTIONED THAT SOME SID PLATES HAVE THE SPD RESTR RIGHT UNDER THE TITLE AND SOME BURY THEM IN THE TEXT TOWARD THE MIDDLE OR BOTTOM OF THE NARRATIVE. HE RECOMMENDS PLACING THE RESTR RIGHT UNDER THE TITLE, HIGHLIGHTED OR BOLD PRINT. HE ALSO WOULD LIKE ATC TO REITERATE THE RESTR AS A CHKS AND BAL AS STANDARD PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.