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Attributes | |
ACN | 319268 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zny |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24500 msl bound upper : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 6500 |
ASRS Report | 319268 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On a flight from bos-phl at FL310 we were given a clearance to cross 70 northeast of brigs intersection at FL200. I programmed the FMC accordingly. Top of descent point was still about 25 NM ahead. A few moments later ATC called and we understood the controller to say, begin descent now through FL250 for traffic. I pressed the capture button on the descent page of the FMC and started down to intercept the 'path' to FL200. Passing FL240 we got a TCASII TA and then RA for traffic at our altitude and less than 10 mi ahead. Simultaneously ATC calls and tells us to 'climb now!!' back to FL250. TCASII was telling us to descend to avoid but we had the traffic visually ahead and off to our right so we stopped the descent and climbed back to FL250. Our subsequent discussion with the controller revealed he said descend now to FL250 for traffic (not through FL250 as both the captain and I heard). Bottom line is there was a miscom between us and ATC. I think if the controller had said 'reclred' to FL250 or 'change clearance to FL250' or better yet, 'cancel clearance to FL200, reclred to descend and maintain FL250' this situation would not have occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC DSNDS BELOW ASSIGNED ALT AND EXPERIENCES TCASII RA.
Narrative: ON A FLT FROM BOS-PHL AT FL310 WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS 70 NE OF BRIGS INTXN AT FL200. I PROGRAMMED THE FMC ACCORDINGLY. TOP OF DSCNT POINT WAS STILL ABOUT 25 NM AHEAD. A FEW MOMENTS LATER ATC CALLED AND WE UNDERSTOOD THE CTLR TO SAY, BEGIN DSCNT NOW THROUGH FL250 FOR TFC. I PRESSED THE CAPTURE BUTTON ON THE DSCNT PAGE OF THE FMC AND STARTED DOWN TO INTERCEPT THE 'PATH' TO FL200. PASSING FL240 WE GOT A TCASII TA AND THEN RA FOR TFC AT OUR ALT AND LESS THAN 10 MI AHEAD. SIMULTANEOUSLY ATC CALLS AND TELLS US TO 'CLB NOW!!' BACK TO FL250. TCASII WAS TELLING US TO DSND TO AVOID BUT WE HAD THE TFC VISUALLY AHEAD AND OFF TO OUR R SO WE STOPPED THE DSCNT AND CLBED BACK TO FL250. OUR SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION WITH THE CTLR REVEALED HE SAID DSND NOW TO FL250 FOR TFC (NOT THROUGH FL250 AS BOTH THE CAPT AND I HEARD). BOTTOM LINE IS THERE WAS A MISCOM BTWN US AND ATC. I THINK IF THE CTLR HAD SAID 'RECLRED' TO FL250 OR 'CHANGE CLRNC TO FL250' OR BETTER YET, 'CANCEL CLRNC TO FL200, RECLRED TO DSND AND MAINTAIN FL250' THIS SIT WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.