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Attributes | |
ACN | 322009 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ptw |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 130 |
ASRS Report | 322009 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 321938 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were tracking ptw 320 degree radial to intercept V64 (psb 113 degree radial) at 13000 ft MSL. Nyc gave us a heading of 315 degrees and pointed out traffic at 2 O'clock at 14000 ft. I acknowledged the traffic was in sight (approximately 7-10 mi). Center then said 'maintain visual climb and maintain 17000 ft MSL' and just prior to this, center told us to intercept V64 on the assigned heading of 315 degrees. We started to climb while setting up the navigation for the capture of J64 assuming our existing heading would clear the traffic at 14000 ft. But the heading was a collision course. We realized this at 13400 ft and descended. My concern is the heading and clearance to climb he gave us was a collision course and then he released us to maintain visual separation. Rather than setting us up on a safe course prior to release and then it being our responsibility if we chose to change course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC EXPERIENCES TCASII RA. CTLR VECTORS RPTR DIRECTLY ON COLLISION COURSE AND SAYS TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AND ASSIGNED HDG.
Narrative: WE WERE TRACKING PTW 320 DEG RADIAL TO INTERCEPT V64 (PSB 113 DEG RADIAL) AT 13000 FT MSL. NYC GAVE US A HDG OF 315 DEGS AND POINTED OUT TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK AT 14000 FT. I ACKNOWLEDGED THE TFC WAS IN SIGHT (APPROX 7-10 MI). CTR THEN SAID 'MAINTAIN VISUAL CLB AND MAINTAIN 17000 FT MSL' AND JUST PRIOR TO THIS, CTR TOLD US TO INTERCEPT V64 ON THE ASSIGNED HDG OF 315 DEGS. WE STARTED TO CLB WHILE SETTING UP THE NAV FOR THE CAPTURE OF J64 ASSUMING OUR EXISTING HDG WOULD CLR THE TFC AT 14000 FT. BUT THE HDG WAS A COLLISION COURSE. WE REALIZED THIS AT 13400 FT AND DSNDED. MY CONCERN IS THE HDG AND CLRNC TO CLB HE GAVE US WAS A COLLISION COURSE AND THEN HE RELEASED US TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. RATHER THAN SETTING US UP ON A SAFE COURSE PRIOR TO RELEASE AND THEN IT BEING OUR RESPONSIBILITY IF WE CHOSE TO CHANGE COURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.