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An air carrier freighter crosses 25 north of sax 2000 ft high. The ARTCC radar controller was notified beforehand.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 322410 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199511 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sax |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1700 |
| ASRS Report | 322410 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZNY requested cross 25 north of sax at 7000 ft for arrival ewr. Training in progress, standards captain training new first officer (student). Student was slow putting restr in the FMS and captain should have started down immediately when given restr. Finally started down at maximum descent, crossed 25 north of sax at about 9000 ft. Told ATC that we might be high on the restr, he acknowledged, but said nothing else. Should have analyzed vertical descent profile first. Determined if immediate descent was necessary. Time permitting, allowed student to input into FMS, afs to fly profile.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FREIGHTER CROSSES 25 N OF SAX 2000 FT HIGH. THE ARTCC RADAR CTLR WAS NOTIFIED BEFOREHAND.
Narrative: ZNY REQUESTED CROSS 25 N OF SAX AT 7000 FT FOR ARR EWR. TRAINING IN PROGRESS, STANDARDS CAPT TRAINING NEW FO (STUDENT). STUDENT WAS SLOW PUTTING RESTR IN THE FMS AND CAPT SHOULD HAVE STARTED DOWN IMMEDIATELY WHEN GIVEN RESTR. FINALLY STARTED DOWN AT MAX DSCNT, CROSSED 25 N OF SAX AT ABOUT 9000 FT. TOLD ATC THAT WE MIGHT BE HIGH ON THE RESTR, HE ACKNOWLEDGED, BUT SAID NOTHING ELSE. SHOULD HAVE ANALYZED VERT DSCNT PROFILE FIRST. DETERMINED IF IMMEDIATE DSCNT WAS NECESSARY. TIME PERMITTING, ALLOWED STUDENT TO INPUT INTO FMS, AFS TO FLY PROFILE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.