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Attributes | |
ACN | 323900 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3200 msl bound upper : 3200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 195 flight time total : 14000 |
ASRS Report | 323900 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on a radar vector when approach asked us if we had 'the' bay in sight. We said yes and were then cleared for the bay visual approach. Apparently we had the wrong bay in sight. Our position being about a mi off prompted several commands and instructions from ATC. This confused us and caused a sloppy approach while this distraction was taking place. Visual approachs are non-events during the day in good WX. However at night, visual indications are much more difficult and not so confirming. Most 'bays' look similar, especially when at lower altitudes. The coastlines and lights seem to blend in more and topographic features don't stand out at night. The FMC and the glass can help out, but still allow for problems because we are trying to look outside to verify positions. Maybe 'published' visual approachs are not warranted at night. The margin of safety on this approach was ok but 'reduced' due to the conflicting 'bays' in sight. Incidentally, ATC never asked us if we had the airport in sight. If they are used, they should be predicated on a landmark that pilots unfamiliar with the area can easily 'distinguish' at night traveling 4 mi per min across the ground.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG FAILED TO FOLLOW THE PUBLISHED VISUAL APCH AFTER BEING CLRED BY ATC.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A RADAR VECTOR WHEN APCH ASKED US IF WE HAD 'THE' BAY IN SIGHT. WE SAID YES AND WERE THEN CLRED FOR THE BAY VISUAL APCH. APPARENTLY WE HAD THE WRONG BAY IN SIGHT. OUR POS BEING ABOUT A MI OFF PROMPTED SEVERAL COMMANDS AND INSTRUCTIONS FROM ATC. THIS CONFUSED US AND CAUSED A SLOPPY APCH WHILE THIS DISTR WAS TAKING PLACE. VISUAL APCHS ARE NON-EVENTS DURING THE DAY IN GOOD WX. HOWEVER AT NIGHT, VISUAL INDICATIONS ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AND NOT SO CONFIRMING. MOST 'BAYS' LOOK SIMILAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN AT LOWER ALTS. THE COASTLINES AND LIGHTS SEEM TO BLEND IN MORE AND TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURES DON'T STAND OUT AT NIGHT. THE FMC AND THE GLASS CAN HELP OUT, BUT STILL ALLOW FOR PROBS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK OUTSIDE TO VERIFY POSITIONS. MAYBE 'PUBLISHED' VISUAL APCHS ARE NOT WARRANTED AT NIGHT. THE MARGIN OF SAFETY ON THIS APCH WAS OK BUT 'REDUCED' DUE TO THE CONFLICTING 'BAYS' IN SIGHT. INCIDENTALLY, ATC NEVER ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT. IF THEY ARE USED, THEY SHOULD BE PREDICATED ON A LANDMARK THAT PLTS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE AREA CAN EASILY 'DISTINGUISH' AT NIGHT TRAVELING 4 MI PER MIN ACROSS THE GND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.