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Attributes | |
ACN | 324313 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 1600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : lga |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 92 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 324313 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
TCASII RA during clean up after takeoff at lga. Other aircraft cleared VFR throgsneck direct lga tower facility on course. Aircraft (B1900) strayed west of clearance to a path over the east river. We were not advised of the VFR traffic. I feel this clearance issuance when lga is departing runway 04 is unsafe. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states they had just been switched to departure control when the near midair collision occurred. He returned to tower frequency and questioned them on what happened. He was informed that there were 2 controllers working traffic, one for IFR and one for VFR. The VFR controller had neglected to notify the IFR controller of the traffic. By company regulation the TCASII is inhibited below 1000 ft so earlier alert was not possible. The commuter aircraft was coming from the northeast and heading for phl. Reporter is incensed that such a procedure is allowed when traffic is departing on runway 04. There is no sense for this to happen. He does not want anyone to be reprimanded for this, he only wants for the procedure to be stopped. Reporter has never been so upset by anything in 25 yrs of flying. Reporter believes the commuters save about 10 mins using VFR procedures. When traffic departing runway 04 he feels they should remain IFR through the area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 TAKES EVASIVE ACTION WHEN TCASII ALERT IS ACTIVATED DURING DEP.
Narrative: TCASII RA DURING CLEAN UP AFTER TKOF AT LGA. OTHER ACFT CLRED VFR THROGSNECK DIRECT LGA TWR FACILITY ON COURSE. ACFT (B1900) STRAYED W OF CLRNC TO A PATH OVER THE E RIVER. WE WERE NOT ADVISED OF THE VFR TFC. I FEEL THIS CLRNC ISSUANCE WHEN LGA IS DEPARTING RWY 04 IS UNSAFE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THEY HAD JUST BEEN SWITCHED TO DEP CTL WHEN THE NMAC OCCURRED. HE RETURNED TO TWR FREQ AND QUESTIONED THEM ON WHAT HAPPENED. HE WAS INFORMED THAT THERE WERE 2 CTLRS WORKING TFC, ONE FOR IFR AND ONE FOR VFR. THE VFR CTLR HAD NEGLECTED TO NOTIFY THE IFR CTLR OF THE TFC. BY COMPANY REG THE TCASII IS INHIBITED BELOW 1000 FT SO EARLIER ALERT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. THE COMMUTER ACFT WAS COMING FROM THE NE AND HEADING FOR PHL. RPTR IS INCENSED THAT SUCH A PROC IS ALLOWED WHEN TFC IS DEPARTING ON RWY 04. THERE IS NO SENSE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. HE DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE REPRIMANDED FOR THIS, HE ONLY WANTS FOR THE PROC TO BE STOPPED. RPTR HAS NEVER BEEN SO UPSET BY ANYTHING IN 25 YRS OF FLYING. RPTR BELIEVES THE COMMUTERS SAVE ABOUT 10 MINS USING VFR PROCS. WHEN TFC DEPARTING RWY 04 HE FEELS THEY SHOULD REMAIN IFR THROUGH THE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.