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Attributes | |
ACN | 324311 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8700 msl bound upper : 9500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6885 flight time type : 2850 |
ASRS Report | 324311 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While on the civet profile descent into lax, socal approach control cleared us to fly the ILS runway 25L after passing arnes. We did just that. During our descent on GS through 9000 ft we received a TCASII alert from an aircraft at our 10-11 O'clock low which we had acquired visually. At the same moment socal asked us to confirm our altitude. I stated that we were descending through 9000 ft. We then received a TCASII warning and climb command, as socal told us that he had restricted us to 9500 ft because there was VFR traffic crossing underneath us at 8500 ft. The captain initiated the climb in response to the TCASII at approximately 8700 ft. At no time did the captain or I hear or acknowledge the 9500 ft altitude restr. Socal said that we did acknowledge. During this entire chain of events socal was saturated with radio traffic, with numerous stepped on radio xmissions. We heard socal give numerous TA's to numerous aircraft, but at no time, after we were cleared for the approach, did we hear our call sign, until he requested us to verify our altitude. During heavy traffic periods into lax, socal needs to be divided into more sectors to reduce controller workload. One controller is handling entirely too much traffic. I could have aided the controller by questioning the traffic since I had spotted the aircraft prior to the TCASII alert. Why was VFR traffic allowed to cross our flight path at GS altitude while we were established on (and cleared for) an instrument approach?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON PROFILE DSCNT AND CLRED FOR APCH HAS TCASII RA TO CLB. TFC SIGHTED.
Narrative: WHILE ON THE CIVET PROFILE DSCNT INTO LAX, SOCAL APCH CTL CLRED US TO FLY THE ILS RWY 25L AFTER PASSING ARNES. WE DID JUST THAT. DURING OUR DSCNT ON GS THROUGH 9000 FT WE RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT FROM AN ACFT AT OUR 10-11 O'CLOCK LOW WHICH WE HAD ACQUIRED VISUALLY. AT THE SAME MOMENT SOCAL ASKED US TO CONFIRM OUR ALT. I STATED THAT WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH 9000 FT. WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII WARNING AND CLB COMMAND, AS SOCAL TOLD US THAT HE HAD RESTRICTED US TO 9500 FT BECAUSE THERE WAS VFR TFC XING UNDERNEATH US AT 8500 FT. THE CAPT INITIATED THE CLB IN RESPONSE TO THE TCASII AT APPROX 8700 FT. AT NO TIME DID THE CAPT OR I HEAR OR ACKNOWLEDGE THE 9500 FT ALT RESTR. SOCAL SAID THAT WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE. DURING THIS ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS SOCAL WAS SATURATED WITH RADIO TFC, WITH NUMEROUS STEPPED ON RADIO XMISSIONS. WE HEARD SOCAL GIVE NUMEROUS TA'S TO NUMEROUS ACFT, BUT AT NO TIME, AFTER WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH, DID WE HEAR OUR CALL SIGN, UNTIL HE REQUESTED US TO VERIFY OUR ALT. DURING HVY TFC PERIODS INTO LAX, SOCAL NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED INTO MORE SECTORS TO REDUCE CTLR WORKLOAD. ONE CTLR IS HANDLING ENTIRELY TOO MUCH TFC. I COULD HAVE AIDED THE CTLR BY QUESTIONING THE TFC SINCE I HAD SPOTTED THE ACFT PRIOR TO THE TCASII ALERT. WHY WAS VFR TFC ALLOWED TO CROSS OUR FLT PATH AT GS ALT WHILE WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON (AND CLRED FOR) AN INST APCH?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.