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Attributes | |
ACN | 325467 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2200 msl bound upper : 2200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller military : 6 controller radar : 23 flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 325467 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
At 6 DME on approach to dtw ILS runway 21R we were advised to contact tower. The tower advised us, '3 departures prior to your arrival, cleared to land runway 21R.' the ATIS at dtw gave 4 overcast 2 1/2 F. We picked up the approach lights at 300 ft AGL and landed. The copilot was flying and he had briefed me on the first day of the trip that he was recently requalified in the aircraft and had not flown in approximately 50 days. The tower controller also stated that the departure prior to our landing would be a B757. I stated, 'we would appreciate the B757 not departing right in front of us.' at 80 KTS (just coming out of reverse) the tower controller stated, 'air carrier a,' we were air carrier B, 'call the tower supervisor at XXXX.' he repeated it again as we cleared the runway when he realized he had called us by the wrong call sign. I called the tower after parking and spoke to the supervisor. He asked if there had been a policy change in our company operating procedure concerning aircraft separation. I told him that my request was based on the WX, the inexperience of the PF and the engine wake caused by a B757 taking off directly in front of a DC9. He said, 'I'll talk to your chief pilot about this.' the verbal attitude of the controller changed to that of rude after we requested that no B757 depart directly in front of us. The supervisor stated that the tower would not question the request of a crew if it were based on safety which was obviously my intention. My decision to 'request' that a B757 or heavy jet not depart directly in front of a low minimums approach under the circumstances I described to the supervisor should in no way be determined by the expeditious departures desired by the tower. Also please discuss giving non necessary instructions to an aircraft still slowing at high speeds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LCL CTLR TOLD FLC THAT A DEP PRIOR TO THEIR ARR WOULD BE A B757. THE PIC (PNF) STATED 'WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE B757 NOT DEPARTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.' THE LCL CTLR TOLD THE FLC TO CALL THE TWR SUPVR AND GAVE THE PHONE NUMBER WHILE THE ACFT WAS AT ABOUT 80 KTS ON LNDG ROLL.
Narrative: AT 6 DME ON APCH TO DTW ILS RWY 21R WE WERE ADVISED TO CONTACT TWR. THE TWR ADVISED US, '3 DEPS PRIOR TO YOUR ARR, CLRED TO LAND RWY 21R.' THE ATIS AT DTW GAVE 4 OVCST 2 1/2 F. WE PICKED UP THE APCH LIGHTS AT 300 FT AGL AND LANDED. THE COPLT WAS FLYING AND HE HAD BRIEFED ME ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE TRIP THAT HE WAS RECENTLY REQUALIFIED IN THE ACFT AND HAD NOT FLOWN IN APPROX 50 DAYS. THE TWR CTLR ALSO STATED THAT THE DEP PRIOR TO OUR LNDG WOULD BE A B757. I STATED, 'WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE B757 NOT DEPARTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.' AT 80 KTS (JUST COMING OUT OF REVERSE) THE TWR CTLR STATED, 'ACR A,' WE WERE ACR B, 'CALL THE TWR SUPVR AT XXXX.' HE REPEATED IT AGAIN AS WE CLRED THE RWY WHEN HE REALIZED HE HAD CALLED US BY THE WRONG CALL SIGN. I CALLED THE TWR AFTER PARKING AND SPOKE TO THE SUPVR. HE ASKED IF THERE HAD BEEN A POLICY CHANGE IN OUR COMPANY OPERATING PROC CONCERNING ACFT SEPARATION. I TOLD HIM THAT MY REQUEST WAS BASED ON THE WX, THE INEXPERIENCE OF THE PF AND THE ENG WAKE CAUSED BY A B757 TAKING OFF DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A DC9. HE SAID, 'I'LL TALK TO YOUR CHIEF PLT ABOUT THIS.' THE VERBAL ATTITUDE OF THE CTLR CHANGED TO THAT OF RUDE AFTER WE REQUESTED THAT NO B757 DEPART DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US. THE SUPVR STATED THAT THE TWR WOULD NOT QUESTION THE REQUEST OF A CREW IF IT WERE BASED ON SAFETY WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY MY INTENTION. MY DECISION TO 'REQUEST' THAT A B757 OR HVY JET NOT DEPART DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A LOW MINIMUMS APCH UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES I DESCRIBED TO THE SUPVR SHOULD IN NO WAY BE DETERMINED BY THE EXPEDITIOUS DEPS DESIRED BY THE TWR. ALSO PLEASE DISCUSS GIVING NON NECESSARY INSTRUCTIONS TO AN ACFT STILL SLOWING AT HIGH SPDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.