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Attributes | |
ACN | 326090 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : azo |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zau |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 326090 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were told to maintain visual separation from an ATP air carrier Y airliner turboprop on our climb out. As we passed through their altitude, the other plane passed behind us by about a 1/2 mi. We clearly could see that his path would take him behind us (the convergent angle was shallow, approximately 30 degrees), but since he was looking straight into the setting sun in order to see us, he was not certain the maneuver was safe. The other pilot cleared to turn off his assigned heading to assure safe separation, since he was not able to adequately assess the situation due to the sun. With the sun directly behind us, we could easily see that it was safe. The other pilot expressed dissatisfaction at 'having to maneuver' around us. This is the main point: even though we could see that all was ok, we could have used even more space between us. The fact that the other pilots chose to maneuver around us demonstrates that an increased margin of safety would have been preferential. I am sorry that I caused the other pilots to be distracted from their duties to respond to what they perceived to be a threat to their safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MDT OBSERVED ANOTHER ACFT ON A CONVERGING COURSE CHANGE ASSIGNED HDG IN RESPONSE TO THE CLOSE PROX OF THE RPTR'S ACFT IN THE SETTING SUN.
Narrative: WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM AN ATP ACR Y AIRLINER TURBOPROP ON OUR CLBOUT. AS WE PASSED THROUGH THEIR ALT, THE OTHER PLANE PASSED BEHIND US BY ABOUT A 1/2 MI. WE CLRLY COULD SEE THAT HIS PATH WOULD TAKE HIM BEHIND US (THE CONVERGENT ANGLE WAS SHALLOW, APPROX 30 DEGS), BUT SINCE HE WAS LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THE SETTING SUN IN ORDER TO SEE US, HE WAS NOT CERTAIN THE MANEUVER WAS SAFE. THE OTHER PLT CLRED TO TURN OFF HIS ASSIGNED HDG TO ASSURE SAFE SEPARATION, SINCE HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ADEQUATELY ASSESS THE SIT DUE TO THE SUN. WITH THE SUN DIRECTLY BEHIND US, WE COULD EASILY SEE THAT IT WAS SAFE. THE OTHER PLT EXPRESSED DISSATISFACTION AT 'HAVING TO MANEUVER' AROUND US. THIS IS THE MAIN POINT: EVEN THOUGH WE COULD SEE THAT ALL WAS OK, WE COULD HAVE USED EVEN MORE SPACE BTWN US. THE FACT THAT THE OTHER PLTS CHOSE TO MANEUVER AROUND US DEMONSTRATES THAT AN INCREASED MARGIN OF SAFETY WOULD HAVE BEEN PREFERENTIAL. I AM SORRY THAT I CAUSED THE OTHER PLTS TO BE DISTRACTED FROM THEIR DUTIES TO RESPOND TO WHAT THEY PERCEIVED TO BE A THREAT TO THEIR SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.