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Attributes | |
ACN | 327370 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 155 flight time total : 6727 flight time type : 192 |
ASRS Report | 327370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were being vectored for an approach to runway 18R at dfw. I was PNF, and approximately 10 mins prior to landing, I told the first officer I was leaving the frequency to call 'in-range' to our company. I returned to hear the controller say 'descend to 4000 ft.' my first officer answered the controller 'leaving 6000 ft for 4000 ft' and our call sign. Passing through approximately 4500 ft, the controller told us to climb to 5000 ft and make a 60 degree right turn. He then questioned what altitude we were cleared to. I replied 4000 ft. He stated he 'thought' we were cleared to 5000 ft and proceeded to re-vector us for the approach. He then told us that there was no traffic conflict (we were TCASII equipped and agreed) and then handed us off to the final controller. I would say one way to possibly avoid this in the future would be for the PNF (me) to take care of the non essential work (ie, calling 'in-range') before we get busy in the cockpit. However, I did return to hear the controller assign us 4000 ft, so both the first officer and I believe the error was on the part of the controller who seemed unusually busy at the time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT ACFT GIVEN 4000 FT CLRNC, CTLR THEN SAYS HE THOUGHT HE GAVE THEM 5000 FT.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR AN APCH TO RWY 18R AT DFW. I WAS PNF, AND APPROX 10 MINS PRIOR TO LNDG, I TOLD THE FO I WAS LEAVING THE FREQ TO CALL 'IN-RANGE' TO OUR COMPANY. I RETURNED TO HEAR THE CTLR SAY 'DSND TO 4000 FT.' MY FO ANSWERED THE CTLR 'LEAVING 6000 FT FOR 4000 FT' AND OUR CALL SIGN. PASSING THROUGH APPROX 4500 FT, THE CTLR TOLD US TO CLB TO 5000 FT AND MAKE A 60 DEG R TURN. HE THEN QUESTIONED WHAT ALT WE WERE CLRED TO. I REPLIED 4000 FT. HE STATED HE 'THOUGHT' WE WERE CLRED TO 5000 FT AND PROCEEDED TO RE-VECTOR US FOR THE APCH. HE THEN TOLD US THAT THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT (WE WERE TCASII EQUIPPED AND AGREED) AND THEN HANDED US OFF TO THE FINAL CTLR. I WOULD SAY ONE WAY TO POSSIBLY AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE FOR THE PNF (ME) TO TAKE CARE OF THE NON ESSENTIAL WORK (IE, CALLING 'IN-RANGE') BEFORE WE GET BUSY IN THE COCKPIT. HOWEVER, I DID RETURN TO HEAR THE CTLR ASSIGN US 4000 FT, SO BOTH THE FO AND I BELIEVE THE ERROR WAS ON THE PART OF THE CTLR WHO SEEMED UNUSUALLY BUSY AT THE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.