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As a flight of 2 refueling aircraft were leaving the huntress AR609 refueling area as per clearance the flight requested to return to the area. Huntress control told the flight to standby while successfully coordinated with ZBW. During that interval of time outside the huntress AR609 refueling area the flight crew had a near miss in ZBW airspace. The flight learned after completing the mission and landing of the near miss.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 328170 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199602 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : syr |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 25000 msl bound upper : 26000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw military facility : huntress |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Military Transport |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : military |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 2600 |
| ASRS Report | 328170 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : military pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7700 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 328177 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Two ship kc-10 formation in AR609 working with huntress military radar. We finished refueling with 4 F-16's and proceeded towards hancock VOR. We were cleared direct to hancock by huntress radar. We asked huntress if we could go back into AR609, he said standby because they had released the area back to boston ARTCC. We continued on our last clearance by huntress towards hancock until huntress gave us a turn to 010 degrees back towards AR609. We were in contact the whole time with huntress. We were informed when we landed that ZBW reported a near miss between our formation and a civilian aircraft. We had maintained radio contact with huntress the whole time and complied with huntress's instruction. There appears to be some miscom between huntress and boston. The proximity of AR609 to boston's airspace creates the potential for traffic conflicts. A possible solution is to monitor huntress and boston ARTCC while established in AR609. A positive handoff to boston needs to be made when working only with huntress. Supplemental information from acn 328428: we were informed that ZBW had reported a near miss between our formation and a civilian airliner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AS A FLT OF 2 REFUELING ACFT WERE LEAVING THE HUNTRESS AR609 REFUELING AREA AS PER CLRNC THE FLT REQUESTED TO RETURN TO THE AREA. HUNTRESS CTL TOLD THE FLT TO STANDBY WHILE SUCCESSFULLY COORDINATED WITH ZBW. DURING THAT INTERVAL OF TIME OUTSIDE THE HUNTRESS AR609 REFUELING AREA THE FLC HAD A NEAR MISS IN ZBW AIRSPACE. THE FLT LEARNED AFTER COMPLETING THE MISSION AND LNDG OF THE NEAR MISS.
Narrative: TWO SHIP KC-10 FORMATION IN AR609 WORKING WITH HUNTRESS MIL RADAR. WE FINISHED REFUELING WITH 4 F-16'S AND PROCEEDED TOWARDS HANCOCK VOR. WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO HANCOCK BY HUNTRESS RADAR. WE ASKED HUNTRESS IF WE COULD GO BACK INTO AR609, HE SAID STANDBY BECAUSE THEY HAD RELEASED THE AREA BACK TO BOSTON ARTCC. WE CONTINUED ON OUR LAST CLRNC BY HUNTRESS TOWARDS HANCOCK UNTIL HUNTRESS GAVE US A TURN TO 010 DEGS BACK TOWARDS AR609. WE WERE IN CONTACT THE WHOLE TIME WITH HUNTRESS. WE WERE INFORMED WHEN WE LANDED THAT ZBW RPTED A NEAR MISS BTWN OUR FORMATION AND A CIVILIAN ACFT. WE HAD MAINTAINED RADIO CONTACT WITH HUNTRESS THE WHOLE TIME AND COMPLIED WITH HUNTRESS'S INSTRUCTION. THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME MISCOM BTWN HUNTRESS AND BOSTON. THE PROX OF AR609 TO BOSTON'S AIRSPACE CREATES THE POTENTIAL FOR TFC CONFLICTS. A POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS TO MONITOR HUNTRESS AND BOSTON ARTCC WHILE ESTABLISHED IN AR609. A POSITIVE HDOF TO BOSTON NEEDS TO BE MADE WHEN WORKING ONLY WITH HUNTRESS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 328428: WE WERE INFORMED THAT ZBW HAD RPTED A NEAR MISS BTWN OUR FORMATION AND A CIVILIAN AIRLINER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.