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Attributes | |
ACN | 328440 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sel |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sel |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 24100 flight time type : 2600 |
ASRS Report | 328440 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared via the cheongja (1A) arrival, but ground base VOR (kip) and (sel) in the sel area was not keeping us on course. We required much radar vectoring to keep us south of the dmz. Our omega navigation, because of the northern latitudes, was not all that dependable either. The speed restrs in the sel TCA sneaked up on me a little bit (250 KTS above 10000 ft and 210 KTS below 10000 ft), but that was probably due to the navigation problems we were having. Approach control was a little miffed with us, but with inaccurate vors and omegas and korean controllers that are difficult to understand anyway, we're lucky to have done as well as we did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 FLC HAS HEADING DEV ON DSCNT THEN SPD DEV WHEN UNDER 10000 FT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED VIA THE CHEONGJA (1A) ARR, BUT GND BASE VOR (KIP) AND (SEL) IN THE SEL AREA WAS NOT KEEPING US ON COURSE. WE REQUIRED MUCH RADAR VECTORING TO KEEP US S OF THE DMZ. OUR OMEGA NAV, BECAUSE OF THE NORTHERN LATITUDES, WAS NOT ALL THAT DEPENDABLE EITHER. THE SPD RESTRS IN THE SEL TCA SNEAKED UP ON ME A LITTLE BIT (250 KTS ABOVE 10000 FT AND 210 KTS BELOW 10000 FT), BUT THAT WAS PROBABLY DUE TO THE NAV PROBS WE WERE HAVING. APCH CTL WAS A LITTLE MIFFED WITH US, BUT WITH INACCURATE VORS AND OMEGAS AND KOREAN CTLRS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ANYWAY, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE DONE AS WELL AS WE DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.