Another air carrier crew had a problem with the jammn 1 arrival into slc.

Attributes
ACN	328569
Time
Date	199602
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : slc
State Reference	UT
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : slc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	328569
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 4000
ASRS Report	329270
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Chart Or Publication
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Jammn 1 arrival, aircraft departed gronk at 13000 ft. Descent was started to cross chhip at 12000 ft. Descent should have started at spiek (7 mi later). Was advised by center that numerous other aircraft had started down at gronk. This is a new arrival (first time flown by crew) and is very cluttered, especially for first reading at night. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter states that so's are not issued the approach plates, only 'see them looking over the pilot's shoulders.' reporter said that a pilot has been threatened with an far violation for leaving an altitude too soon. Reporter is unaware that a revision is in the works. He thought that the page was 'too busy' and that separating the north and south lndgs would simplify the pilot's problems.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ANOTHER ACR CREW HAD A PROB WITH THE JAMMN 1 ARR INTO SLC.

Narrative: JAMMN 1 ARR, ACFT DEPARTED GRONK AT 13000 FT. DSCNT WAS STARTED TO CROSS CHHIP AT 12000 FT. DSCNT SHOULD HAVE STARTED AT SPIEK (7 MI LATER). WAS ADVISED BY CTR THAT NUMEROUS OTHER ACFT HAD STARTED DOWN AT GRONK. THIS IS A NEW ARR (FIRST TIME FLOWN BY CREW) AND IS VERY CLUTTERED, ESPECIALLY FOR FIRST READING AT NIGHT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATES THAT SO'S ARE NOT ISSUED THE APCH PLATES, ONLY 'SEE THEM LOOKING OVER THE PLT'S SHOULDERS.' RPTR SAID THAT A PLT HAS BEEN THREATENED WITH AN FAR VIOLATION FOR LEAVING AN ALT TOO SOON. RPTR IS UNAWARE THAT A REVISION IS IN THE WORKS. HE THOUGHT THAT THE PAGE WAS 'TOO BUSY' AND THAT SEPARATING THE N AND S LNDGS WOULD SIMPLIFY THE PLT'S PROBS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.