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Attributes | |
ACN | 329220 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : slc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : slc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 151 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 4485 |
ASRS Report | 329220 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Descent on the (jammn.JAMMN1) STAR to slc for landing south consists of 6 altitude references, 6 track segments and utilizes 3 navaids. The last 4 segments are 20, 7, 9 and 12 mi in length (time compression) and each segment ends with a different altitude restr. During this arrival, we were twice vectored off the arrival (for spacing) and twice cleared to reintercept and resume the arrival. In addition we were given 2 airspeed changes. Descent checklists and prelndg briefings must also be fitted into this busy time schedule. Our altitude reminder was set to the appropriate altitude for all crossing restrs and although busy (as PNF), I observed no deviations and none were observed by the other pilots. After landing I was asked to make a phone call to approach control where I was told that we had crossed spiek 'slightly low.' as previously mentioned, none of the crew members could recall any altitude deviation during the whole process. This may indicate that maybe we are being asked to accomplish too much in too short of a time. Therefore, it is my recommendation that arrival spacing on this particular approach (if left in the present format) be accomplished at, or before the delta VORTAC so that the arrival can be flown as depicted. That arrival is 'busy enough' without vectors and airspeed changes for spacing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT ON ARR, JAMMN1 TO SLC TOLD THEY WERE 'SLIGHTLY LOW' AT SPIEK INTXN.
Narrative: DSCNT ON THE (JAMMN.JAMMN1) STAR TO SLC FOR LNDG S CONSISTS OF 6 ALT REFS, 6 TRACK SEGMENTS AND UTILIZES 3 NAVAIDS. THE LAST 4 SEGMENTS ARE 20, 7, 9 AND 12 MI IN LENGTH (TIME COMPRESSION) AND EACH SEGMENT ENDS WITH A DIFFERENT ALT RESTR. DURING THIS ARR, WE WERE TWICE VECTORED OFF THE ARR (FOR SPACING) AND TWICE CLRED TO REINTERCEPT AND RESUME THE ARR. IN ADDITION WE WERE GIVEN 2 AIRSPD CHANGES. DSCNT CHKLISTS AND PRELNDG BRIEFINGS MUST ALSO BE FITTED INTO THIS BUSY TIME SCHEDULE. OUR ALT REMINDER WAS SET TO THE APPROPRIATE ALT FOR ALL XING RESTRS AND ALTHOUGH BUSY (AS PNF), I OBSERVED NO DEVS AND NONE WERE OBSERVED BY THE OTHER PLTS. AFTER LNDG I WAS ASKED TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO APCH CTL WHERE I WAS TOLD THAT WE HAD CROSSED SPIEK 'SLIGHTLY LOW.' AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, NONE OF THE CREW MEMBERS COULD RECALL ANY ALTDEV DURING THE WHOLE PROCESS. THIS MAY INDICATE THAT MAYBE WE ARE BEING ASKED TO ACCOMPLISH TOO MUCH IN TOO SHORT OF A TIME. THEREFORE, IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT ARR SPACING ON THIS PARTICULAR APCH (IF LEFT IN THE PRESENT FORMAT) BE ACCOMPLISHED AT, OR BEFORE THE DELTA VORTAC SO THAT THE ARR CAN BE FLOWN AS DEPICTED. THAT ARR IS 'BUSY ENOUGH' WITHOUT VECTORS AND AIRSPD CHANGES FOR SPACING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.