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Attributes | |
ACN | 331208 |
Time | |
Date | 199603 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pxr airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8800 msl bound upper : 9300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx tower : ind |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 137 flight time total : 14833 flight time type : 520 |
ASRS Report | 331208 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 2600 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 331210 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were inbound to phx on the sunns 1 arrival, level 9000 ft MSL. Approach control advised that we had VFR traffic at 12 O'clock. We were unable to locate visually, but did locate traffic on TCASII. TCASII initially indicated traffic was at 9300 ft, although approach said he was at 9500 ft. We then received a TCASII RA, which commanded a descent of up to 500 FPM (ivsi). We advised approach of the TCASII RA and commenced a shallow descent. Approach responded by asking the VFR traffic to verify altitude. Our TCASII indicated he immediately climbed back to 9500 ft. We never located traffic visually, but TCASII showed traffic passed directly overhead. After descending to 8800 ft, TCASII RA ended. We climbed back to 9000 ft and continued sunns 1 arrival. Supplemental information from acn 331210: TCASII initially indicated traffic was at 9300 ft although approach said he was at 9500 ft. We then received a TCASII alert, which commanded a descent up to 500 FPM. We advised approach of the TCASII alert. Approach responded by asking the VFR traffic to verify altitude. Out TCASII indicated he immediately climbed back to 9500 ft. This goes to show how important TCASII is on aircraft, even on cargo aircraft, which are not required under far 121 large aircraft to have TCASII. It is also very important to VFR pilots when flying through class B airspace or any other active airspace to be aware of altimeter settings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC ADVISED A B727 FLC OF TFC WHICH THEY WERE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE VISUALLY. WHEN THE TCASII RA COMMANDED A DSCNT, THE FLC FOLLOWED THE COMMANDS. THE OTHER ACFT WAS 200 FT LOWER THAN WHAT ATC ADVISED ACCORDING TO THE FLC'S TCASII.
Narrative: WE WERE INBOUND TO PHX ON THE SUNNS 1 ARR, LEVEL 9000 FT MSL. APCH CTL ADVISED THAT WE HAD VFR TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK. WE WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE VISUALLY, BUT DID LOCATE TFC ON TCASII. TCASII INITIALLY INDICATED TFC WAS AT 9300 FT, ALTHOUGH APCH SAID HE WAS AT 9500 FT. WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII RA, WHICH COMMANDED A DSCNT OF UP TO 500 FPM (IVSI). WE ADVISED APCH OF THE TCASII RA AND COMMENCED A SHALLOW DSCNT. APCH RESPONDED BY ASKING THE VFR TFC TO VERIFY ALT. OUR TCASII INDICATED HE IMMEDIATELY CLBED BACK TO 9500 FT. WE NEVER LOCATED TFC VISUALLY, BUT TCASII SHOWED TFC PASSED DIRECTLY OVERHEAD. AFTER DSNDING TO 8800 FT, TCASII RA ENDED. WE CLBED BACK TO 9000 FT AND CONTINUED SUNNS 1 ARR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 331210: TCASII INITIALLY INDICATED TFC WAS AT 9300 FT ALTHOUGH APCH SAID HE WAS AT 9500 FT. WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT, WHICH COMMANDED A DSCNT UP TO 500 FPM. WE ADVISED APCH OF THE TCASII ALERT. APCH RESPONDED BY ASKING THE VFR TFC TO VERIFY ALT. OUT TCASII INDICATED HE IMMEDIATELY CLBED BACK TO 9500 FT. THIS GOES TO SHOW HOW IMPORTANT TCASII IS ON ACFT, EVEN ON CARGO ACFT, WHICH ARE NOT REQUIRED UNDER FAR 121 LARGE ACFT TO HAVE TCASII. IT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO VFR PLTS WHEN FLYING THROUGH CLASS B AIRSPACE OR ANY OTHER ACTIVE AIRSPACE TO BE AWARE OF ALTIMETER SETTINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.