37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 332005 |
Time | |
Date | 199603 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 23000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 332005 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
While on STAR for ewr was told to hold at hpw. Did a 360 degree turn while en route back to hpw. Was asked by ATC to proceed up the STAR toward eno. Line of WX between my position and eno. Proceeded left 20 degrees through a hole. Became path finder. ATC cleared me to deviation around WX, proceed on arrival when able. As I was to enter area ATC requested if I could turn around or descend to FL210. I advised we were unable. ATC said ok and allowed to proceed as cleared. Told to contact next sector. When contacted next sector controller requested right turn back on STAR direct to ood-rbj. STAR as cleared. I told controller we were unable at this time due to WX. He sharply advised me to 'squawk 7700 and declare emergency I was out of his airspace.' I replied, 'are you kidding.' he stated, 'no.' I asked for phone number. I proceeded 5 degrees right as WX permitted. I made no more reference to his comment and circumnaved WX. He then cleared me left direct to rbj. We held at rbj for 45 mins. This is unheard of. I had no emergency. The problem occurred with: 1) ATC unable to communicate between sectors. 2) unprofessional ATC. 3) desire to put ATC problem in my lap, relieve ATC of responsibility (I have asked for tapes to be pulled). 4) no traffic was ever issued. 5) no loss of separation was even communicated with aircraft. 6) no TCASII warning. This was a shortage of personnel problem. If controller could not handle traffic, he should ask for supervisor help and put hold on all traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TRYING TO AVOID WX, FLC COULD NOT ACCEPT HDG CLRNC. WHEN NEW SECTOR CTLR CLRED ACFT TO TURN TO JOIN THE STAR, FLC RESPONDED UNABLE DUE TO WX. CTLR TOLD FLC TO SQUAWK 7700 AND DECLARE AN EMER. FLC DIDN'T COMMENT, BUT CONTINUED TO CIRCUMNAV WX.
Narrative: WHILE ON STAR FOR EWR WAS TOLD TO HOLD AT HPW. DID A 360 DEG TURN WHILE ENRTE BACK TO HPW. WAS ASKED BY ATC TO PROCEED UP THE STAR TOWARD ENO. LINE OF WX BTWN MY POS AND ENO. PROCEEDED L 20 DEGS THROUGH A HOLE. BECAME PATH FINDER. ATC CLRED ME TO DEV AROUND WX, PROCEED ON ARR WHEN ABLE. AS I WAS TO ENTER AREA ATC REQUESTED IF I COULD TURN AROUND OR DSND TO FL210. I ADVISED WE WERE UNABLE. ATC SAID OK AND ALLOWED TO PROCEED AS CLRED. TOLD TO CONTACT NEXT SECTOR. WHEN CONTACTED NEXT SECTOR CTLR REQUESTED R TURN BACK ON STAR DIRECT TO OOD-RBJ. STAR AS CLRED. I TOLD CTLR WE WERE UNABLE AT THIS TIME DUE TO WX. HE SHARPLY ADVISED ME TO 'SQUAWK 7700 AND DECLARE EMER I WAS OUT OF HIS AIRSPACE.' I REPLIED, 'ARE YOU KIDDING.' HE STATED, 'NO.' I ASKED FOR PHONE NUMBER. I PROCEEDED 5 DEGS R AS WX PERMITTED. I MADE NO MORE REF TO HIS COMMENT AND CIRCUMNAVED WX. HE THEN CLRED ME L DIRECT TO RBJ. WE HELD AT RBJ FOR 45 MINS. THIS IS UNHEARD OF. I HAD NO EMER. THE PROB OCCURRED WITH: 1) ATC UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE BTWN SECTORS. 2) UNPROFESSIONAL ATC. 3) DESIRE TO PUT ATC PROB IN MY LAP, RELIEVE ATC OF RESPONSIBILITY (I HAVE ASKED FOR TAPES TO BE PULLED). 4) NO TFC WAS EVER ISSUED. 5) NO LOSS OF SEPARATION WAS EVEN COMMUNICATED WITH ACFT. 6) NO TCASII WARNING. THIS WAS A SHORTAGE OF PERSONNEL PROB. IF CTLR COULD NOT HANDLE TFC, HE SHOULD ASK FOR SUPVR HELP AND PUT HOLD ON ALL TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.