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Flight crew of an medium large transport failed to maintain ATC requested speed during descent for a visual approach due to the high close in location relative to the normal GS.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 332308 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : atl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 500 agl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 332308 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
While on approach the controller became argumentative because we had slowed down from the assigned 180 KTS. We were following an air carrier B727 and he was too close. The vectors we were given were too tight on the preceding aircraft. The controller had told us to expect a 12 mi final but then gave us an 8 mi final. Because we were high we slowed to get dirty and come down. When the controller noticed our speed he lectured us and at less than 1 mi from cegro ordered a 30 KT speed increase. We offered to take his vectors. Instead he switched us to tower. When air carrier touched down we were 8 mi behind and did not intercept the ILS GS until 500 ft AGL. It was the classic slam dunk.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG FAILED TO MAINTAIN ATC REQUESTED SPD DURING DSCNT FOR A VISUAL APCH DUE TO THE HIGH CLOSE IN LOCATION RELATIVE TO THE NORMAL GS.
Narrative: WHILE ON APCH THE CTLR BECAME ARGUMENTATIVE BECAUSE WE HAD SLOWED DOWN FROM THE ASSIGNED 180 KTS. WE WERE FOLLOWING AN ACR B727 AND HE WAS TOO CLOSE. THE VECTORS WE WERE GIVEN WERE TOO TIGHT ON THE PRECEDING ACFT. THE CTLR HAD TOLD US TO EXPECT A 12 MI FINAL BUT THEN GAVE US AN 8 MI FINAL. BECAUSE WE WERE HIGH WE SLOWED TO GET DIRTY AND COME DOWN. WHEN THE CTLR NOTICED OUR SPD HE LECTURED US AND AT LESS THAN 1 MI FROM CEGRO ORDERED A 30 KT SPD INCREASE. WE OFFERED TO TAKE HIS VECTORS. INSTEAD HE SWITCHED US TO TWR. WHEN ACR TOUCHED DOWN WE WERE 8 MI BEHIND AND DID NOT INTERCEPT THE ILS GS UNTIL 500 FT AGL. IT WAS THE CLASSIC SLAM DUNK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.