Sfo runway 28R lda and bay ILS runway 28L approach evaluation.

Attributes
ACN	332309
Time
Date	199604
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sfo
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 14 msl bound upper : 6000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : oak tower : sfo
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	332309
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

For the second time the ATIS only stated charted visuals to runways 28. We can't brief this approach if we don't know we may get it. At least this time we were told by bay approach when we checked in that we would get the bay ILS runway 28L. We then briefed that approach as we were vectored clear to santa cruz and back. As we were approaching the localizer with another aircraft 2 mi on our left and abeam us we were told 'change to and cleared for lda DME runway 28R.' not only did we not have time to brief the approach or set it up on the FMC, we nearly flew through the localizer while scrambling to find the lda frequency and inbound course. As we rolled out on the lda we were directly abeam the aircraft on the bay ILS runway 28L and stayed that way to touchdown. It would help greatly if they would put on the ATIS that they are using these approachs. It would give us time to brief them both, since every time I have been assigned one of these, it has been within 1 min of crossing the lda.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SFO RWY 28R LDA AND BAY ILS RWY 28L APCH EVALUATION.

Narrative: FOR THE SECOND TIME THE ATIS ONLY STATED CHARTED VISUALS TO RWYS 28. WE CAN'T BRIEF THIS APCH IF WE DON'T KNOW WE MAY GET IT. AT LEAST THIS TIME WE WERE TOLD BY BAY APCH WHEN WE CHKED IN THAT WE WOULD GET THE BAY ILS RWY 28L. WE THEN BRIEFED THAT APCH AS WE WERE VECTORED CLR TO SANTA CRUZ AND BACK. AS WE WERE APCHING THE LOC WITH ANOTHER ACFT 2 MI ON OUR L AND ABEAM US WE WERE TOLD 'CHANGE TO AND CLRED FOR LDA DME RWY 28R.' NOT ONLY DID WE NOT HAVE TIME TO BRIEF THE APCH OR SET IT UP ON THE FMC, WE NEARLY FLEW THROUGH THE LOC WHILE SCRAMBLING TO FIND THE LDA FREQ AND INBOUND COURSE. AS WE ROLLED OUT ON THE LDA WE WERE DIRECTLY ABEAM THE ACFT ON THE BAY ILS RWY 28L AND STAYED THAT WAY TO TOUCHDOWN. IT WOULD HELP GREATLY IF THEY WOULD PUT ON THE ATIS THAT THEY ARE USING THESE APCHS. IT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO BRIEF THEM BOTH, SINCE EVERY TIME I HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED ONE OF THESE, IT HAS BEEN WITHIN 1 MIN OF XING THE LDA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.