<< >> NASA ASRS Report 332062, March 1996

Sfo lda runway 28R and bay ILS runway 28L approach evaluation.

Attributes
ACN	332062
Time
Date	199603
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sfo
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : oak tower : sfo
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	332062
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

We had no notice that we were to fly the lda. The ATIS said charted visuals. First word we got was, 'cleared for approach,' and nearly flew through it trying to find frequency of lda. Also, descended through assigned altitude by 400 ft while we were both trying to find frequency and set up for approach. We had no opportunity to brief approach or possible missed. If they are going to use this approach at least put it on the ATIS so we can talk about it. Also, we were expecting a visual approach to runway 28L and then were assigned an instrument approach to runway 28R with no notice. This has happened to me several times in the last few months. Controllers are supposed to advise us of the runway on first contact and bay approach seldom does.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SFO LDA RWY 28R AND BAY ILS RWY 28L APCH EVALUATION.

Narrative: WE HAD NO NOTICE THAT WE WERE TO FLY THE LDA. THE ATIS SAID CHARTED VISUALS. FIRST WORD WE GOT WAS, 'CLRED FOR APCH,' AND NEARLY FLEW THROUGH IT TRYING TO FIND FREQ OF LDA. ALSO, DSNDED THROUGH ASSIGNED ALT BY 400 FT WHILE WE WERE BOTH TRYING TO FIND FREQ AND SET UP FOR APCH. WE HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF APCH OR POSSIBLE MISSED. IF THEY ARE GOING TO USE THIS APCH AT LEAST PUT IT ON THE ATIS SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. ALSO, WE WERE EXPECTING A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 28L AND THEN WERE ASSIGNED AN INST APCH TO RWY 28R WITH NO NOTICE. THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. CTLRS ARE SUPPOSED TO ADVISE US OF THE RWY ON FIRST CONTACT AND BAY APCH SELDOM DOES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.