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Attributes | |
ACN | 334030 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 334030 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Occurrence happened while approaching lga airport from the northeast. The standard procedure into lga at the time was the expressway visual to runway 31 which normally flows from the verrazano bridge over the maspeth tanks, follows the long island expressway to shea stadium and then makes a left base to final for runway 31. (Traffic permitting, ATC will space aircraft from the northeast to make a 'right turn' into lga.) as PF (first officer) we were cleared to follow traffic making base to final (believe it was an air carrier DC9) to runway 31 at lga by ny approach. At the time of the incident, the autoplt was on MEL as inoperative, which added to the workload of the crew. No further transmission or commands were given by ATC. We followed our traffic, completed our checklist and landed. After we landed, we waited for tower to give us instructions to contact ground. At that time, we noticed we were still on approach frequency. We contacted ground and they asked us if we heard any of their xmissions. We explained we had never switched over to tower frequency. ATC stated that we should have missed the approach if we never received a clearance to land. No 'near miss' or 'runway incursions' occurred. On the prior day, same arrival, same airplane, crew, and landing on runway 31 from the northeast, we were spaced too closely between two aircraft challengers. We were instructed 5 mi out to follow a challenger on a 1 mi final. We reported traffic and followed. We never positively idented the previous traffic as a 'challenger.' at approximately 2 mi out we noticed another challenger at our 9 O'clock. ATC asked the challenger if he had us in sight, but he reported negative. Seconds later he saw us and increased his distance to us but ATC did not feel spacing was adequate. ATC made that challenger miss the approach and go around. The following day we were very cautious to watch for traffic which may have distracted our attention to not contact lga tower or to ask approach if we should contact lga tower. After the incident we contacted lga tower by phone, who mentioned that it was no problem to them, but they queried us if we had heard them and we said no. They advised that someone had responded to their call, that they further wanted us to 'hold short of runway 4' which we did, unaware of them, of course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A COMMUTER FLC FAILED TO CONTACT THE TWR FOR A LNDG CLRNC. DURING A VISUAL APCH TO LNDG, A COMMUTER FLC RECEIVED A CLRNC TO FOLLOW TFC ON BASE TO FINAL APCH AND THE FLC FOLLOWED THE TFC AND LANDED WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Narrative: OCCURRENCE HAPPENED WHILE APCHING LGA ARPT FROM THE NE. THE STANDARD PROC INTO LGA AT THE TIME WAS THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL TO RWY 31 WHICH NORMALLY FLOWS FROM THE VERRAZANO BRIDGE OVER THE MASPETH TANKS, FOLLOWS THE LONG ISLAND EXPRESSWAY TO SHEA STADIUM AND THEN MAKES A L BASE TO FINAL FOR RWY 31. (TFC PERMITTING, ATC WILL SPACE ACFT FROM THE NE TO MAKE A 'R TURN' INTO LGA.) AS PF (FO) WE WERE CLRED TO FOLLOW TFC MAKING BASE TO FINAL (BELIEVE IT WAS AN ACR DC9) TO RWY 31 AT LGA BY NY APCH. AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, THE AUTOPLT WAS ON MEL AS INOP, WHICH ADDED TO THE WORKLOAD OF THE CREW. NO FURTHER XMISSION OR COMMANDS WERE GIVEN BY ATC. WE FOLLOWED OUR TFC, COMPLETED OUR CHKLIST AND LANDED. AFTER WE LANDED, WE WAITED FOR TWR TO GIVE US INSTRUCTIONS TO CONTACT GND. AT THAT TIME, WE NOTICED WE WERE STILL ON APCH FREQ. WE CONTACTED GND AND THEY ASKED US IF WE HEARD ANY OF THEIR XMISSIONS. WE EXPLAINED WE HAD NEVER SWITCHED OVER TO TWR FREQ. ATC STATED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MISSED THE APCH IF WE NEVER RECEIVED A CLRNC TO LAND. NO 'NEAR MISS' OR 'RWY INCURSIONS' OCCURRED. ON THE PRIOR DAY, SAME ARR, SAME AIRPLANE, CREW, AND LNDG ON RWY 31 FROM THE NE, WE WERE SPACED TOO CLOSELY BTWN TWO ACFT CHALLENGERS. WE WERE INSTRUCTED 5 MI OUT TO FOLLOW A CHALLENGER ON A 1 MI FINAL. WE RPTED TFC AND FOLLOWED. WE NEVER POSITIVELY IDENTED THE PREVIOUS TFC AS A 'CHALLENGER.' AT APPROX 2 MI OUT WE NOTICED ANOTHER CHALLENGER AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK. ATC ASKED THE CHALLENGER IF HE HAD US IN SIGHT, BUT HE RPTED NEGATIVE. SECONDS LATER HE SAW US AND INCREASED HIS DISTANCE TO US BUT ATC DID NOT FEEL SPACING WAS ADEQUATE. ATC MADE THAT CHALLENGER MISS THE APCH AND GAR. THE FOLLOWING DAY WE WERE VERY CAUTIOUS TO WATCH FOR TFC WHICH MAY HAVE DISTRACTED OUR ATTN TO NOT CONTACT LGA TWR OR TO ASK APCH IF WE SHOULD CONTACT LGA TWR. AFTER THE INCIDENT WE CONTACTED LGA TWR BY PHONE, WHO MENTIONED THAT IT WAS NO PROB TO THEM, BUT THEY QUERIED US IF WE HAD HEARD THEM AND WE SAID NO. THEY ADVISED THAT SOMEONE HAD RESPONDED TO THEIR CALL, THAT THEY FURTHER WANTED US TO 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4' WHICH WE DID, UNAWARE OF THEM, OF COURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.