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Attributes | |
ACN | 335705 |
Time | |
Date | 199605 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gsp |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 6 controller radar : 15 |
ASRS Report | 335705 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
All runway markings, including temporary, should be prominent enough to be readily identifiable from the air and should be consistent with FARS. The national procedures for temporary runway markings are inadequate, and are not published to the flying public. This is in reference to our temporary displaced threshold. The temporary markings are too small to be idented during periods of low visibility and when landing from the opposite direction, ie, the displacement is at departure end. We have had aircraft roll into the closed section when landing, and aircraft back taxiing into the closed area and then taking off even though they are advised it's closed and takeoff will be at their own risk. The following diagram shows our current confign. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the temporary restr is notamed and is included in the ATIS broadcast. He stated that some pilots are having a difficult time locating the restr area. He indicated that a line has been painted across the runway at the point where panels are located to identify the displaced threshold. He implied that the problem still exists by stating that 3 acrs recently made excursions into the restr area. It is the reporter's opinion that the national method of marking a temporary runway closure should be the same as it is for a permanent closure by using the chevron markings. Reporter feels that this would help the pilot flight crew more readily locate and avoid the restr area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR STATES THAT MARKINGS FOR A TEMPORARY RWY THRESHOLD AND THE CLOSED PORTION OF THE RWY ARE INADEQUATE. SOME ACFT ARE LNDG PRIOR TO THE THRESHOLD OR ARE GOING INTO IT ON TKOF OR LNDG ROLLOUT FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
Narrative: ALL RWY MARKINGS, INCLUDING TEMPORARY, SHOULD BE PROMINENT ENOUGH TO BE READILY IDENTIFIABLE FROM THE AIR AND SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH FARS. THE NATIONAL PROCS FOR TEMPORARY RWY MARKINGS ARE INADEQUATE, AND ARE NOT PUBLISHED TO THE FLYING PUBLIC. THIS IS IN REF TO OUR TEMPORARY DISPLACED THRESHOLD. THE TEMPORARY MARKINGS ARE TOO SMALL TO BE IDENTED DURING PERIODS OF LOW VISIBILITY AND WHEN LNDG FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, IE, THE DISPLACEMENT IS AT DEP END. WE HAVE HAD ACFT ROLL INTO THE CLOSED SECTION WHEN LNDG, AND ACFT BACK TAXIING INTO THE CLOSED AREA AND THEN TAKING OFF EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ADVISED IT'S CLOSED AND TKOF WILL BE AT THEIR OWN RISK. THE FOLLOWING DIAGRAM SHOWS OUR CURRENT CONFIGN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE TEMPORARY RESTR IS NOTAMED AND IS INCLUDED IN THE ATIS BROADCAST. HE STATED THAT SOME PLTS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME LOCATING THE RESTR AREA. HE INDICATED THAT A LINE HAS BEEN PAINTED ACROSS THE RWY AT THE POINT WHERE PANELS ARE LOCATED TO IDENT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. HE IMPLIED THAT THE PROB STILL EXISTS BY STATING THAT 3 ACRS RECENTLY MADE EXCURSIONS INTO THE RESTR AREA. IT IS THE RPTR'S OPINION THAT THE NATIONAL METHOD OF MARKING A TEMPORARY RWY CLOSURE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS FOR A PERMANENT CLOSURE BY USING THE CHEVRON MARKINGS. RPTR FEELS THAT THIS WOULD HELP THE PLT FLC MORE READILY LOCATE AND AVOID THE RESTR AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.