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Attributes | |
ACN | 338622 |
Time | |
Date | 199606 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6700 msl bound upper : 7100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lga |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 338622 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On arrival into lga we were turned to about a 040 degree heading and told to descend to 7000 ft. The WX was VFR and we were 20 mi out and able to see the airport already. While descending through 7400 ft we received a TA from our TCASII. At about 7100 ft we got an RA telling us to 'increase descent.' we had a visual contact with the traffic (commuter) but it looked so close that we opted to continue descent as per TCASII instruction. As the commuter passed overhead I believe I saw his altitude as 7400 ft on our TCASII. I believe the problem was caused by lga approach being real busy and maybe they weren't in radio contact with the commuter. At any rate, they apologized and allowed us to stay at 6700 ft and when traffic was no longer a factor, cleared us to 4000 ft. The rest of the approach and landing was uneventful. We were also dealing with a sick passenger that may have taken away some of our attention, which might have allowed us to have gotten an earlier visual contact. This incident has made me very confident of TCASII capabilities. Even though we had visual contact, sometimes it is so close that the best course of action is to follow the TCASII. It works!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII. RPTR ACFT CLRED TO DSND THROUGH ANOTHER ACFT ALT. TCASII ALERTED FLC WHO ACQUIRED INTRUDER TFC VISUALLY. FREQ CONGESTION AND BUSY APCH CTLR CONTRIBUTED TO OCCURRENCE.
Narrative: ON ARR INTO LGA WE WERE TURNED TO ABOUT A 040 DEG HDG AND TOLD TO DSND TO 7000 FT. THE WX WAS VFR AND WE WERE 20 MI OUT AND ABLE TO SEE THE ARPT ALREADY. WHILE DSNDING THROUGH 7400 FT WE RECEIVED A TA FROM OUR TCASII. AT ABOUT 7100 FT WE GOT AN RA TELLING US TO 'INCREASE DSCNT.' WE HAD A VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC (COMMUTER) BUT IT LOOKED SO CLOSE THAT WE OPTED TO CONTINUE DSCNT AS PER TCASII INSTRUCTION. AS THE COMMUTER PASSED OVERHEAD I BELIEVE I SAW HIS ALT AS 7400 FT ON OUR TCASII. I BELIEVE THE PROB WAS CAUSED BY LGA APCH BEING REAL BUSY AND MAYBE THEY WEREN'T IN RADIO CONTACT WITH THE COMMUTER. AT ANY RATE, THEY APOLOGIZED AND ALLOWED US TO STAY AT 6700 FT AND WHEN TFC WAS NO LONGER A FACTOR, CLRED US TO 4000 FT. THE REST OF THE APCH AND LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL. WE WERE ALSO DEALING WITH A SICK PAX THAT MAY HAVE TAKEN AWAY SOME OF OUR ATTN, WHICH MIGHT HAVE ALLOWED US TO HAVE GOTTEN AN EARLIER VISUAL CONTACT. THIS INCIDENT HAS MADE ME VERY CONFIDENT OF TCASII CAPABILITIES. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD VISUAL CONTACT, SOMETIMES IT IS SO CLOSE THAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TO FOLLOW THE TCASII. IT WORKS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.