<< >> NASA ASRS Report 339480, June 1996

An air carrier cessna 402B felt uncomfortable when an air carrier J31 did not communication properly on CTAF. Flight crew technique communication. Non tower airport CTAF VFR IFR mix. Less than standard separation.

Attributes
ACN	339480
Time
Date	199606
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : pgv
State Reference	NC
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Cessna 402/402C/B379 Businessliner/Utiliner
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : takeoff
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 195
ASRS Report	339480
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Departed pgv VFR to pick up IFR flight plan in the air. I spoke to the J31 who stated that she was west of the field. I departed to the northwest and, through 1500 ft, tuned the radio to contact center. At this time I was approaching 2000 ft MSL. I heard center call traffic (me) to the J31 at 2 O'clock and a mi. She had abandoned the visual approach and was receiving vectors to the ILS. I leveled off. Center advised the J31 that I was at 1900 ft and 1/2 mi at her 2 O'clock. She was at 2200 ft. We never saw one another. I feel that this is a potential problem for the future. When I spoke (on CTAF) to the J31 first officer, she was to overfly the field. I elected to make a left downwind departure northwest to avoid conflict. By changing her approach without advising me, it left me looking in the wrong place for the other aircraft. I know we should all see and avoid, but if we can communication we should.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR CESSNA 402B FELT UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN AN ACR J31 DID NOT COM PROPERLY ON CTAF. FLC TECHNIQUE COM. NON TWR ARPT CTAF VFR IFR MIX. LTSS.

Narrative: DEPARTED PGV VFR TO PICK UP IFR FLT PLAN IN THE AIR. I SPOKE TO THE J31 WHO STATED THAT SHE WAS W OF THE FIELD. I DEPARTED TO THE NW AND, THROUGH 1500 FT, TUNED THE RADIO TO CONTACT CTR. AT THIS TIME I WAS APCHING 2000 FT MSL. I HEARD CTR CALL TFC (ME) TO THE J31 AT 2 O'CLOCK AND A MI. SHE HAD ABANDONED THE VISUAL APCH AND WAS RECEIVING VECTORS TO THE ILS. I LEVELED OFF. CTR ADVISED THE J31 THAT I WAS AT 1900 FT AND 1/2 MI AT HER 2 O'CLOCK. SHE WAS AT 2200 FT. WE NEVER SAW ONE ANOTHER. I FEEL THAT THIS IS A POTENTIAL PROB FOR THE FUTURE. WHEN I SPOKE (ON CTAF) TO THE J31 FO, SHE WAS TO OVERFLY THE FIELD. I ELECTED TO MAKE A L DOWNWIND DEP NW TO AVOID CONFLICT. BY CHANGING HER APCH WITHOUT ADVISING ME, IT LEFT ME LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE FOR THE OTHER ACFT. I KNOW WE SHOULD ALL SEE AND AVOID, BUT IF WE CAN COM WE SHOULD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.