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Attributes | |
ACN | 340211 |
Time | |
Date | 199606 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tower : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 340211 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 340213 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During departure while flying the newark 5 SID we were climbing at 330 KIAS on a westerly heading to intercept the sax VOR 252 degree radial. ZNY advised of an eastbound saab 340 VFR at 15000 ft (not 15500 ft). Our TCASII alerted us with an RA. The visual presentation was a little blurry and could not decipher whether conflict was climbing or descending. Also audio was weak and somewhat difficult to understand. While climbing through 14000 ft at approximately 4000 FPM, ATC advised us to 'just go ahead and level off at 15000 ft' to avoid a conflict and TCASII appeared to be calling for a descent of greater than 3000 FPM. At this point we acquired the traffic visually and descended from 15300 ft to 15000 ft at the same time turning left with a 30 degree bank to avoid the conflict. Ironically, it appeared the conflict traffic was also at 15000 ft and never appeared to be avoiding us. Our fortune was in being able to see and avoid the traffic as ATC was vague and TCASII was difficult to interpret. TCASII was reported to maintenance as such. Supplemental information from acn 340213: the saab 340 was VFR in the northeast corridor and the controller was not required to provide separation, just a traffic call, but it came late and evasion was required. Suggest no one with a flight number (scheduled air carrier, etc) be allowed VFR in northeast corridor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 FLC HAS TCASII RA BUT EQUIP DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN.
Narrative: DURING DEP WHILE FLYING THE NEWARK 5 SID WE WERE CLBING AT 330 KIAS ON A WESTERLY HDG TO INTERCEPT THE SAX VOR 252 DEG RADIAL. ZNY ADVISED OF AN EBOUND SAAB 340 VFR AT 15000 FT (NOT 15500 FT). OUR TCASII ALERTED US WITH AN RA. THE VISUAL PRESENTATION WAS A LITTLE BLURRY AND COULD NOT DECIPHER WHETHER CONFLICT WAS CLBING OR DSNDING. ALSO AUDIO WAS WEAK AND SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. WHILE CLBING THROUGH 14000 FT AT APPROX 4000 FPM, ATC ADVISED US TO 'JUST GO AHEAD AND LEVEL OFF AT 15000 FT' TO AVOID A CONFLICT AND TCASII APPEARED TO BE CALLING FOR A DSCNT OF GREATER THAN 3000 FPM. AT THIS POINT WE ACQUIRED THE TFC VISUALLY AND DSNDED FROM 15300 FT TO 15000 FT AT THE SAME TIME TURNING L WITH A 30 DEG BANK TO AVOID THE CONFLICT. IRONICALLY, IT APPEARED THE CONFLICT TFC WAS ALSO AT 15000 FT AND NEVER APPEARED TO BE AVOIDING US. OUR FORTUNE WAS IN BEING ABLE TO SEE AND AVOID THE TFC AS ATC WAS VAGUE AND TCASII WAS DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET. TCASII WAS RPTED TO MAINT AS SUCH. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 340213: THE SAAB 340 WAS VFR IN THE NE CORRIDOR AND THE CTLR WAS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SEPARATION, JUST A TFC CALL, BUT IT CAME LATE AND EVASION WAS REQUIRED. SUGGEST NO ONE WITH A FLT NUMBER (SCHEDULED ACR, ETC) BE ALLOWED VFR IN NE CORRIDOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.