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An air carrier pilot complains about having to fly side-by-side with an air carrier light transport. Very good VMC prevailed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 340380 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199606 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 340380 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 700 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On final approach to runway 24R in lax, our first knowledge of a potential conflict was when approach cleared air carrier Y to a 'visual to runway 24L, keep air carrier X in sight.' we switched to tower and checked in and tower said 'air carrier Y, confirm you have air carrier X in sight.' they replied affirmative, and were cleared to land. We got a TCASII RA when air carrier Y passed within 1 mi of our tail and 200 ft above us. We continued to get TA's and RA's as air carrier Y pulled up and abeam us at our 9 O'clock position and stayed there till touchdown. Called tower on the phone and they said they are aware of the problem, that they get 2-3 phone calls a day on the same type problems, but as long as the commuters don't pass the jets it's legal. Corrective action would be to increase the separation somehow on visual approachs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT COMPLAINS ABOUT HAVING TO FLY SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH AN ACR LTT. VERY GOOD VMC PREVAILED.
Narrative: ON FINAL APCH TO RWY 24R IN LAX, OUR FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WAS WHEN APCH CLRED ACR Y TO A 'VISUAL TO RWY 24L, KEEP ACR X IN SIGHT.' WE SWITCHED TO TWR AND CHKED IN AND TWR SAID 'ACR Y, CONFIRM YOU HAVE ACR X IN SIGHT.' THEY REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE, AND WERE CLRED TO LAND. WE GOT A TCASII RA WHEN ACR Y PASSED WITHIN 1 MI OF OUR TAIL AND 200 FT ABOVE US. WE CONTINUED TO GET TA'S AND RA'S AS ACR Y PULLED UP AND ABEAM US AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS AND STAYED THERE TILL TOUCHDOWN. CALLED TWR ON THE PHONE AND THEY SAID THEY ARE AWARE OF THE PROB, THAT THEY GET 2-3 PHONE CALLS A DAY ON THE SAME TYPE PROBS, BUT AS LONG AS THE COMMUTERS DON'T PASS THE JETS IT'S LEGAL. CORRECTIVE ACTION WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE SEPARATION SOMEHOW ON VISUAL APCHS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.