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Attributes | |
ACN | 351290 |
Time | |
Date | 199610 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 8600 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 351290 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 351705 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were scheduled to fly from lga to dfw. We had an air carrier inspector on board observing. Pushback and engine start were normal. I set the flaps as we started taxiing. Takeoff numbers called for 15 degree flaps. During the taxi and before takeoff checks, I remember looking at the flap handle and flap indicator several times, but noticed nothing amiss. The captain was very conscientious in checking flaps, but he noticed nothing out of the ordinary either (nor did the FAA inspector). There were no aircraft ahead of us for the runway, so departure was fairly quick, but not really rushed, due to aircraft landing on the cross runway. Takeoff roll, rotation, lift-off and initial climb appeared normal. At 1000 ft AGL the captain directed me to raise the flaps from 15 degrees to 5 degrees. At this time I noticed the flap handle was already in the 5 degrees detent. Since actual lift-off speed was probably 10-15 KTS above computed V2, we had no aircraft indications of the incorrect setting. I think the reason I set the flaps to 5 degrees was that for the previous 7 yrs I flew the MD80 aircraft where normal takeoff flaps were the second detent on the flap lever (11 degrees). On the B757 normal takeoff flaps are the third detent (15 degrees). Since I had flown the B757 only about 1 1/2 months, I think I reverted to my old habits and 'feel' for the flap lever. The remainder of the flight was thankfully uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 TOOK OFF FROM LGA WITH WING FLAPS SET AT 5 DEGS RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED 15 DEGS.
Narrative: WE WERE SCHEDULED TO FLY FROM LGA TO DFW. WE HAD AN ACR INSPECTOR ON BOARD OBSERVING. PUSHBACK AND ENG START WERE NORMAL. I SET THE FLAPS AS WE STARTED TAXIING. TKOF NUMBERS CALLED FOR 15 DEG FLAPS. DURING THE TAXI AND BEFORE TKOF CHKS, I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE FLAP HANDLE AND FLAP INDICATOR SEVERAL TIMES, BUT NOTICED NOTHING AMISS. THE CAPTAIN WAS VERY CONSCIENTIOUS IN CHKING FLAPS, BUT HE NOTICED NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY EITHER (NOR DID THE FAA INSPECTOR). THERE WERE NO ACFT AHEAD OF US FOR THE RWY, SO DEP WAS FAIRLY QUICK, BUT NOT REALLY RUSHED, DUE TO ACFT LNDG ON THE CROSS RWY. TKOF ROLL, ROTATION, LIFT-OFF AND INITIAL CLB APPEARED NORMAL. AT 1000 FT AGL THE CAPT DIRECTED ME TO RAISE THE FLAPS FROM 15 DEGS TO 5 DEGS. AT THIS TIME I NOTICED THE FLAP HANDLE WAS ALREADY IN THE 5 DEGS DETENT. SINCE ACTUAL LIFT-OFF SPD WAS PROBABLY 10-15 KTS ABOVE COMPUTED V2, WE HAD NO ACFT INDICATIONS OF THE INCORRECT SETTING. I THINK THE REASON I SET THE FLAPS TO 5 DEGS WAS THAT FOR THE PREVIOUS 7 YRS I FLEW THE MD80 ACFT WHERE NORMAL TKOF FLAPS WERE THE SECOND DETENT ON THE FLAP LEVER (11 DEGS). ON THE B757 NORMAL TKOF FLAPS ARE THE THIRD DETENT (15 DEGS). SINCE I HAD FLOWN THE B757 ONLY ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS, I THINK I REVERTED TO MY OLD HABITS AND 'FEEL' FOR THE FLAP LEVER. THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS THANKFULLY UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.