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Attributes | |
ACN | 353385 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 353385 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
After landing due to a #1 hydraulic system total fluid loss, we (first officer and myself) searched the operations manual trying to determine if there was a requirement to preserve the cvr and fdr. We determined that that was not needed. We then proceeded to speak with the dispatcher who seemed to think that it was an NTSB rptable incident which would require us to preserve the cvr and fdr, then the odm made the determination that it did not qualify as a rptable incident. I am not sure myself if it did need to be reported because after reading the manual again, it says 'in-flight failure of hydraulic system that results in sustained reliance on the sole remaining hydraulic or mechanical system for movement of flight control surfaces.' this aircraft is a DHC8 with mechanical ailerons and hydraulic roll spoilers. The #1 system only took out the inboard roll spoilers and one of the rudder actuators. After looking at the wording I realized that the rudder on the DHC8 is all hydraulic and therefore was down to only 1 actuator at the time the #1 system failed. I feel that in the future, if an occurrence cannot be determined easily to be rptable or not, I will pull the fdr and cvr breakers right away while the decision is made one way or the other.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MDT LANDED WITH THE #1 HYD SYS OUT OF FLUID. WHEN PARKED, WAS CHKING THE OPS MANUAL TO DETERMINE IF THE CVR AND FDR SHOULD BE CANCELED. ACFT ENDED UP WITH ONLY 1 HYD SYS PWRING THE RUDDER AND SHOULD HAVE SAVED THE RECORDERS.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG DUE TO A #1 HYD SYS TOTAL FLUID LOSS, WE (FO AND MYSELF) SEARCHED THE OPS MANUAL TRYING TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE THE CVR AND FDR. WE DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS NOT NEEDED. WE THEN PROCEEDED TO SPEAK WITH THE DISPATCHER WHO SEEMED TO THINK THAT IT WAS AN NTSB RPTABLE INCIDENT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE US TO PRESERVE THE CVR AND FDR, THEN THE ODM MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT DID NOT QUALIFY AS A RPTABLE INCIDENT. I AM NOT SURE MYSELF IF IT DID NEED TO BE RPTED BECAUSE AFTER READING THE MANUAL AGAIN, IT SAYS 'INFLT FAILURE OF HYD SYS THAT RESULTS IN SUSTAINED RELIANCE ON THE SOLE REMAINING HYD OR MECHANICAL SYS FOR MOVEMENT OF FLT CTL SURFACES.' THIS ACFT IS A DHC8 WITH MECHANICAL AILERONS AND HYD ROLL SPOILERS. THE #1 SYS ONLY TOOK OUT THE INBOARD ROLL SPOILERS AND ONE OF THE RUDDER ACTUATORS. AFTER LOOKING AT THE WORDING I REALIZED THAT THE RUDDER ON THE DHC8 IS ALL HYD AND THEREFORE WAS DOWN TO ONLY 1 ACTUATOR AT THE TIME THE #1 SYS FAILED. I FEEL THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF AN OCCURRENCE CANNOT BE DETERMINED EASILY TO BE RPTABLE OR NOT, I WILL PULL THE FDR AND CVR BREAKERS RIGHT AWAY WHILE THE DECISION IS MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.