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Attributes | |
ACN | 359520 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lvz |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tower : dab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 359520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While navigating from rdu to swf, we were cleared to lvz via J220/J49/J70. Just after passing fortt intersection, our FMS commanded the aircraft into a right turn to intercept J49. ZNY called us and told us to turn left to a 350 degree heading to intercept J49. I noted our position and it was on the lvz 270 degree radial, 73 DME, which seemed appropriate. They evidently thought not. I frequently operate on this route and it is not uncommon to pass fortt and either be cleared 1) direct lvz direct lhy, 2) J220/J49/J70 lvz direct lhy, or 3) J220/J227/J49/J70 lvz. This is very cumbersome, especially since it is always given as an amendment and usually ATC gives minimal time to set it up in the FMS. It would seem, too, that ATC would allow for the 8 mi width and 4.5 degree diverging of airways, especially when dealing with j-shaped multiple airway segments. As happened this evening and as always happens, ATC makes a big deal about flying the multiple intersecting airways, then after you are established, they clear you direct lhy. Large jet aircraft flying 400+ KTS need turning room!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR F100 CAPT COMPLAINS ABOUT THE VERY COMPLICATED ROUTINGS GIVEN TO CROSS ZNY AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE NAVING FROM RDU TO SWF, WE WERE CLRED TO LVZ VIA J220/J49/J70. JUST AFTER PASSING FORTT INTXN, OUR FMS COMMANDED THE ACFT INTO A R TURN TO INTERCEPT J49. ZNY CALLED US AND TOLD US TO TURN L TO A 350 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT J49. I NOTED OUR POS AND IT WAS ON THE LVZ 270 DEG RADIAL, 73 DME, WHICH SEEMED APPROPRIATE. THEY EVIDENTLY THOUGHT NOT. I FREQUENTLY OPERATE ON THIS RTE AND IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO PASS FORTT AND EITHER BE CLRED 1) DIRECT LVZ DIRECT LHY, 2) J220/J49/J70 LVZ DIRECT LHY, OR 3) J220/J227/J49/J70 LVZ. THIS IS VERY CUMBERSOME, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT IS ALWAYS GIVEN AS AN AMENDMENT AND USUALLY ATC GIVES MINIMAL TIME TO SET IT UP IN THE FMS. IT WOULD SEEM, TOO, THAT ATC WOULD ALLOW FOR THE 8 MI WIDTH AND 4.5 DEG DIVERGING OF AIRWAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEALING WITH J-SHAPED MULTIPLE AIRWAY SEGMENTS. AS HAPPENED THIS EVENING AND AS ALWAYS HAPPENS, ATC MAKES A BIG DEAL ABOUT FLYING THE MULTIPLE INTERSECTING AIRWAYS, THEN AFTER YOU ARE ESTABLISHED, THEY CLR YOU DIRECT LHY. LARGE JET ACFT FLYING 400+ KTS NEED TURNING ROOM!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.