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Attributes | |
ACN | 361610 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mke |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mke |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 1595 flight time type : 112 |
ASRS Report | 361610 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 361753 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
We were approaching mke from our short flight from msn when we were told to descend to 3000 ft and fly a heading of 300 degrees. So we left 8000 ft and went down to 3000 ft. After leveling off at 3000 ft, the approach controller asked us our airspeed. I told him what I was indicating which was 220 KTS. Next, we started to slow down. After landing, the captain and I investigated a little more about the ATC inquiry. We suspect that we may have compromised timmerman's airspace speed limit. Supplemental information from acn 361753: if the timmerman's speed limit was compromised it could have been avoided by the approach facility not clearing to this area. Our spatial awareness would have been heightened as well if our company provided charts that depict the location and type of airspace at timmerman.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR VECTORS LTT COMMUTER ACFT IN PROX OF CLASS D AIRSPACE. SPD EXCEEDED LIMITS OF CLASS D.
Narrative: WE WERE APCHING MKE FROM OUR SHORT FLT FROM MSN WHEN WE WERE TOLD TO DSND TO 3000 FT AND FLY A HDG OF 300 DEGS. SO WE LEFT 8000 FT AND WENT DOWN TO 3000 FT. AFTER LEVELING OFF AT 3000 FT, THE APCH CTLR ASKED US OUR AIRSPD. I TOLD HIM WHAT I WAS INDICATING WHICH WAS 220 KTS. NEXT, WE STARTED TO SLOW DOWN. AFTER LNDG, THE CAPT AND I INVESTIGATED A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE ATC INQUIRY. WE SUSPECT THAT WE MAY HAVE COMPROMISED TIMMERMAN'S AIRSPACE SPD LIMIT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 361753: IF THE TIMMERMAN'S SPD LIMIT WAS COMPROMISED IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED BY THE APCH FACILITY NOT CLRING TO THIS AREA. OUR SPATIAL AWARENESS WOULD HAVE BEEN HEIGHTENED AS WELL IF OUR COMPANY PROVIDED CHARTS THAT DEPICT THE LOCATION AND TYPE OF AIRSPACE AT TIMMERMAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.