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Attributes | |
ACN | 362141 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Falcon 10C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 362141 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 6650 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 362378 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
We were cleared to taxi to runway 23R via runway 28, hold short of runway 23L. As we taxied on runway 28 we were told to contact the tower. When I contacted the tower the controller told us to stop where we were and we did. The controller then ordered a cessna caravan, on final to runway 23L to go around. Apparently we had approached too close to runway 23L, although we did not actually enter the runway. We fully intended to hold short of runway 23L but did not realize our close proximity to it because of the night environment, the angle that we were approaching the runway and the absence of a hold short line. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this flight crew rarely flies into cle and they had no idea where the hold short line for runway 23L might be located. Reporter also stated they were looking for hold short markings on the taxiway and on the airport taxiway chart. They assumed they were the cause of the cessna go around, but are not certain. Flight crew hadn't thought about a shallow approach angle to an active runway would cause the hold short line to be placed farther away from the active runway. Supplemental information from acn 362378: at night it is difficult to see the hold short line but while taxiing on a runway there is no hold short line. Therefore, the combination of night and no hold short line led me to continue, closer that the controller was comfortable with, to runway 23L. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that his company only uses cle when they need customs so he does not go in there that much. He does not know if this is standard procedure to taxi on runways. He feels that part of the problem may be that the two runways intersect at quite an angle and the perspective may seem closer to the tower than it did to him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON 10 FLC HAS RWY INCURSION APCHING RWY 28 AT CLE.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 23R VIA RWY 28, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 23L. AS WE TAXIED ON RWY 28 WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT THE TWR. WHEN I CONTACTED THE TWR THE CTLR TOLD US TO STOP WHERE WE WERE AND WE DID. THE CTLR THEN ORDERED A CESSNA CARAVAN, ON FINAL TO RWY 23L TO GAR. APPARENTLY WE HAD APCHED TOO CLOSE TO RWY 23L, ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT ACTUALLY ENTER THE RWY. WE FULLY INTENDED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 23L BUT DID NOT REALIZE OUR CLOSE PROX TO IT BECAUSE OF THE NIGHT ENVIRONMENT, THE ANGLE THAT WE WERE APCHING THE RWY AND THE ABSENCE OF A HOLD SHORT LINE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS FLC RARELY FLIES INTO CLE AND THEY HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 23L MIGHT BE LOCATED. RPTR ALSO STATED THEY WERE LOOKING FOR HOLD SHORT MARKINGS ON THE TXWY AND ON THE ARPT TXWY CHART. THEY ASSUMED THEY WERE THE CAUSE OF THE CESSNA GAR, BUT ARE NOT CERTAIN. FLC HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT A SHALLOW APCH ANGLE TO AN ACTIVE RWY WOULD CAUSE THE HOLD SHORT LINE TO BE PLACED FARTHER AWAY FROM THE ACTIVE RWY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 362378: AT NIGHT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE THE HOLD SHORT LINE BUT WHILE TAXIING ON A RWY THERE IS NO HOLD SHORT LINE. THEREFORE, THE COMBINATION OF NIGHT AND NO HOLD SHORT LINE LED ME TO CONTINUE, CLOSER THAT THE CTLR WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, TO RWY 23L. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT HIS COMPANY ONLY USES CLE WHEN THEY NEED CUSTOMS SO HE DOES NOT GO IN THERE THAT MUCH. HE DOES NOT KNOW IF THIS IS STANDARD PROC TO TAXI ON RWYS. HE FEELS THAT PART OF THE PROB MAY BE THAT THE TWO RWYS INTERSECT AT QUITE AN ANGLE AND THE PERSPECTIVE MAY SEEM CLOSER TO THE TWR THAN IT DID TO HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.