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B17 flight crew was unaware they were to take off and maintain VFR until receiving IFR clearance from approach controller. He insisted and after a short wait, ATC gave him his clearance prior to takeoff. The same flight crew had another similar problem 3 hours earlier which makes it appear they don't understand the procedure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 362209 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199703 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cew |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : vps |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Boeing Company Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial ground : preflight |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 27000 flight time type : 70 |
| ASRS Report | 362209 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On mar/xx/97 at approximately XA30 local time, I filed an IFR flight plan with gnv FSS by phone. My flight plan was crestview, fl, to pensicola, fl, direct 3000 ft. At this time, I was ferrying a wwii B17 bomber. I taxied out, the gentleman from gnv FSS said I was cleared as filed with a void time of XB40 local time. I mentioned to the copilot to tell him that we have no clearance. He then said pns approach had said that we had a clearance. He was then told that we did not have a clearance, all we did was file a flight plan, we have no transponder code, and no altitude. After about 5 mins he came back and gave us a clearance, cleared direct pns, maintain 3000 ft. I received a transponder code with a void time of XB45. We were off the ground at XB42 when we contacted gnv FSS, and he said our void time was XB40, we said no, it had been extended to XB45 with our new clearance. He then said 'ok,' and we were on our way to pns. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was vague regarding who he talked to, to file his flight plan and who gave him his clearance. The normal procedure at cew is for the aircraft to take off VFR, maintain VFR and contact eglin approach control for clearance when airborne. Apparently, reporter was unfamiliar with this procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B17 FLC WAS UNAWARE THEY WERE TO TAKE OFF AND MAINTAIN VFR UNTIL RECEIVING IFR CLRNC FROM APCH CTLR. HE INSISTED AND AFTER A SHORT WAIT, ATC GAVE HIM HIS CLRNC PRIOR TO TKOF. THE SAME FLC HAD ANOTHER SIMILAR PROB 3 HRS EARLIER WHICH MAKES IT APPEAR THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROC.
Narrative: ON MAR/XX/97 AT APPROX XA30 LCL TIME, I FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN WITH GNV FSS BY PHONE. MY FLT PLAN WAS CRESTVIEW, FL, TO PENSICOLA, FL, DIRECT 3000 FT. AT THIS TIME, I WAS FERRYING A WWII B17 BOMBER. I TAXIED OUT, THE GENTLEMAN FROM GNV FSS SAID I WAS CLRED AS FILED WITH A VOID TIME OF XB40 LCL TIME. I MENTIONED TO THE COPLT TO TELL HIM THAT WE HAVE NO CLRNC. HE THEN SAID PNS APCH HAD SAID THAT WE HAD A CLRNC. HE WAS THEN TOLD THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A CLRNC, ALL WE DID WAS FILE A FLT PLAN, WE HAVE NO XPONDER CODE, AND NO ALT. AFTER ABOUT 5 MINS HE CAME BACK AND GAVE US A CLRNC, CLRED DIRECT PNS, MAINTAIN 3000 FT. I RECEIVED A XPONDER CODE WITH A VOID TIME OF XB45. WE WERE OFF THE GND AT XB42 WHEN WE CONTACTED GNV FSS, AND HE SAID OUR VOID TIME WAS XB40, WE SAID NO, IT HAD BEEN EXTENDED TO XB45 WITH OUR NEW CLRNC. HE THEN SAID 'OK,' AND WE WERE ON OUR WAY TO PNS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS VAGUE REGARDING WHO HE TALKED TO, TO FILE HIS FLT PLAN AND WHO GAVE HIM HIS CLRNC. THE NORMAL PROC AT CEW IS FOR THE ACFT TO TAKE OFF VFR, MAINTAIN VFR AND CONTACT EGLIN APCH CTL FOR CLRNC WHEN AIRBORNE. APPARENTLY, RPTR WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.