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Attributes | |
ACN | 362796 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sfk |
State Reference | PA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 362796 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On a return trip to mdt from cyyz we were given a steady and early descent from a long way out. We began descending at about 1000-1200 FPM and had been in that state for about 50 mi. The original controller called us back and asked us to 'expedite our descent.' we complied and moved to about 2500 FPM descent rate. Another controller came on in a few seconds and rather angrily told us that we were 'told to expedite descent.' at about that time we got a TCASII alert of 'traffic.' the controller simultaneously told us to turn to a new heading of 90 degrees off our flight path. After clearing the alert (some distance away) we discussed the possibilities that had led to this event. We determined that the original controller might have been in training and gotten somewhat behind the unfolding events. If the second controller was a trainer we don't believe that he was watching all that closely. A more timely call to expedite at the outset might have been in order as well. We believe that we could have checked their needs at the outset and probably averted any stress on anyone's part. If, indeed, there was training going on, perhaps a less busy sector or time would be more appropriate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIC RPTS ACFT HAD BEEN ON DSCNT AND ATC SUDDENLY ASKED TO INCREASE RATE OF DSCNT. AFTER COMPLYING, ANOTHER CTLR CAME ON AND ANGRILY GIVES RADAR VECTORS TO AVOID A LOSS OF SEPARATION FROM ACFT Y. NO SYS ERROR, BUT CLOSE.
Narrative: ON A RETURN TRIP TO MDT FROM CYYZ WE WERE GIVEN A STEADY AND EARLY DSCNT FROM A LONG WAY OUT. WE BEGAN DSNDING AT ABOUT 1000-1200 FPM AND HAD BEEN IN THAT STATE FOR ABOUT 50 MI. THE ORIGINAL CTLR CALLED US BACK AND ASKED US TO 'EXPEDITE OUR DSCNT.' WE COMPLIED AND MOVED TO ABOUT 2500 FPM DSCNT RATE. ANOTHER CTLR CAME ON IN A FEW SECONDS AND RATHER ANGRILY TOLD US THAT WE WERE 'TOLD TO EXPEDITE DSCNT.' AT ABOUT THAT TIME WE GOT A TCASII ALERT OF 'TFC.' THE CTLR SIMULTANEOUSLY TOLD US TO TURN TO A NEW HDG OF 90 DEGS OFF OUR FLT PATH. AFTER CLRING THE ALERT (SOME DISTANCE AWAY) WE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITIES THAT HAD LED TO THIS EVENT. WE DETERMINED THAT THE ORIGINAL CTLR MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN TRAINING AND GOTTEN SOMEWHAT BEHIND THE UNFOLDING EVENTS. IF THE SECOND CTLR WAS A TRAINER WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE WAS WATCHING ALL THAT CLOSELY. A MORE TIMELY CALL TO EXPEDITE AT THE OUTSET MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN ORDER AS WELL. WE BELIEVE THAT WE COULD HAVE CHKED THEIR NEEDS AT THE OUTSET AND PROBABLY AVERTED ANY STRESS ON ANYONE'S PART. IF, INDEED, THERE WAS TRAINING GOING ON, PERHAPS A LESS BUSY SECTOR OR TIME WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.