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Attributes | |
ACN | 362835 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : stl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 32 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 362835 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While on the visual approach to runway 30R at stl, using the ILS as backup navigation, we encountered wake turbulence from a B737 about 4 mi ahead of us on the visual to the same runway. The air carrier flight number was xx. They were way above the GS/path for that runway. We had been told from approach about air carrier position, and we were maintaining visual separation from them. I had altered my course to the right of center to avoid their wake, and I remained 2 dots high on the GS since we were able to see his altitude -- how high they were, on our TCASII, but we still got rocked around a bit. The wake turbulence and the upset we experienced was not too bad, it was only about 15 degrees bank and 2 degrees pitch down, but being that high on the glide path and approximately 4 mi in trail should, under most circumstances, keep us well above the wake of any aircraft ahead of us. But, I have noticed that air carrier makes a standard practice of remaining well above GS/path causing more than normal amounts of encounters. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter participated in the wake turbulence callback study. Reporter was informed of a B737, descending from a higher altitude, being in front of his aircraft. This is a constant source of frustration for this turboprop pilot as it means that he has to go through the preceding aircraft wake sometime during the approach. He was trying to fly higher than usual just so he could avoid wake turbulence on final, but could not fly as high as the steeply descending B737 in front of him. Therefore, he had a wake encounter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BAE-3201 ENCOUNTERS WAKE TURB 4 MI BEHIND A B737 ON APCH TO STL.
Narrative: WHILE ON THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 30R AT STL, USING THE ILS AS BACKUP NAV, WE ENCOUNTERED WAKE TURB FROM A B737 ABOUT 4 MI AHEAD OF US ON THE VISUAL TO THE SAME RWY. THE ACR FLT NUMBER WAS XX. THEY WERE WAY ABOVE THE GS/PATH FOR THAT RWY. WE HAD BEEN TOLD FROM APCH ABOUT ACR POS, AND WE WERE MAINTAINING VISUAL SEPARATION FROM THEM. I HAD ALTERED MY COURSE TO THE R OF CTR TO AVOID THEIR WAKE, AND I REMAINED 2 DOTS HIGH ON THE GS SINCE WE WERE ABLE TO SEE HIS ALT -- HOW HIGH THEY WERE, ON OUR TCASII, BUT WE STILL GOT ROCKED AROUND A BIT. THE WAKE TURB AND THE UPSET WE EXPERIENCED WAS NOT TOO BAD, IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 15 DEGS BANK AND 2 DEGS PITCH DOWN, BUT BEING THAT HIGH ON THE GLIDE PATH AND APPROX 4 MI IN TRAIL SHOULD, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, KEEP US WELL ABOVE THE WAKE OF ANY ACFT AHEAD OF US. BUT, I HAVE NOTICED THAT ACR MAKES A STANDARD PRACTICE OF REMAINING WELL ABOVE GS/PATH CAUSING MORE THAN NORMAL AMOUNTS OF ENCOUNTERS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR PARTICIPATED IN THE WAKE TURB CALLBACK STUDY. RPTR WAS INFORMED OF A B737, DSNDING FROM A HIGHER ALT, BEING IN FRONT OF HIS ACFT. THIS IS A CONSTANT SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR THIS TURBOPROP PLT AS IT MEANS THAT HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PRECEDING ACFT WAKE SOMETIME DURING THE APCH. HE WAS TRYING TO FLY HIGHER THAN USUAL JUST SO HE COULD AVOID WAKE TURB ON FINAL, BUT COULD NOT FLY AS HIGH AS THE STEEPLY DSNDING B737 IN FRONT OF HIM. THEREFORE, HE HAD A WAKE ENCOUNTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.