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Small aircraft training flight was in the flm VOR area practicing VOR NDB navigation. Was not aware a temporary restr area had been designated below 3000 ft, 10 mi radius of flm VOR. Did not get an FSS briefing but used commercial WX information.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 362960 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199703 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : flm airport : i69 |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 1450 flight time type : 35 |
| ASRS Report | 362960 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Took a student on a training flight under far part 141 from I69 to the flm VORTAC. Purpose of the lesson was to practice VOR/NDB navigation. I checked NOTAMS on the commercial WX service computer. Checked NOTAMS for flm VORTAC and snyder airport (KY62). 1 NOTAM for runway lights OTS at KY62 showed up. I did not know that commercial WX does not disseminate fdc NOTAMS. I believe a NOTAM was in effect for temporary flight restrs at 3000 ft and below within a 10 NM radius of falmouth, due to the flood and evacuate/evacuation which was occurring. We penetrated this temporary flight restr area. I later discovered the fdc NOTAM from a fellow CFI. In the future, I will definitely get an FSS briefing when leaving the local area. I believe I have become too reliant on commercial WX services which do not constitute a legal WX briefing. Through the use of these WX services I often feel I can draw a very good mental picture of the local WX and the WX system approaching. I believe I can better track the WX using these as opposed to an FSS briefing sometimes. I now realize that these system work well as supplements to an FSS briefing, but often leave gaps of information, ie, fdc NOTAMS. In the future, I will be calling for FSS briefings when leaving the local area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA TRAINING FLT WAS IN THE FLM VOR AREA PRACTICING VOR NDB NAV. WAS NOT AWARE A TEMPORARY RESTR AREA HAD BEEN DESIGNATED BELOW 3000 FT, 10 MI RADIUS OF FLM VOR. DID NOT GET AN FSS BRIEFING BUT USED COMMERCIAL WX INFO.
Narrative: TOOK A STUDENT ON A TRAINING FLT UNDER FAR PART 141 FROM I69 TO THE FLM VORTAC. PURPOSE OF THE LESSON WAS TO PRACTICE VOR/NDB NAV. I CHKED NOTAMS ON THE COMMERCIAL WX SVC COMPUTER. CHKED NOTAMS FOR FLM VORTAC AND SNYDER ARPT (KY62). 1 NOTAM FOR RWY LIGHTS OTS AT KY62 SHOWED UP. I DID NOT KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL WX DOES NOT DISSEMINATE FDC NOTAMS. I BELIEVE A NOTAM WAS IN EFFECT FOR TEMPORARY FLT RESTRS AT 3000 FT AND BELOW WITHIN A 10 NM RADIUS OF FALMOUTH, DUE TO THE FLOOD AND EVAC WHICH WAS OCCURRING. WE PENETRATED THIS TEMPORARY FLT RESTR AREA. I LATER DISCOVERED THE FDC NOTAM FROM A FELLOW CFI. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL DEFINITELY GET AN FSS BRIEFING WHEN LEAVING THE LCL AREA. I BELIEVE I HAVE BECOME TOO RELIANT ON COMMERCIAL WX SVCS WHICH DO NOT CONSTITUTE A LEGAL WX BRIEFING. THROUGH THE USE OF THESE WX SVCS I OFTEN FEEL I CAN DRAW A VERY GOOD MENTAL PICTURE OF THE LCL WX AND THE WX SYS APCHING. I BELIEVE I CAN BETTER TRACK THE WX USING THESE AS OPPOSED TO AN FSS BRIEFING SOMETIMES. I NOW REALIZE THAT THESE SYS WORK WELL AS SUPPLEMENTS TO AN FSS BRIEFING, BUT OFTEN LEAVE GAPS OF INFO, IE, FDC NOTAMS. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL BE CALLING FOR FSS BRIEFINGS WHEN LEAVING THE LCL AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.