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Attributes | |
ACN | 363479 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pkb |
State Reference | WV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pkb |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 363479 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
En route from cle to pkb, we were cleared for descent into pkb. Operation was IFR, through ZID, and in cavu conditions. Due to a delay in the descent clearance, we arrived in the pkb area too high for the expected straight-in visual approach to runway 21. ZID terminated radar service at 6000 ft and instructed us to contact pkb tower, which issued a visual approach to runway 21 and to report 'crossing the river.' due to the altitude and proximity, I elected to make a descending 360 degree turn for position. After reporting the river inbound, tower asked if we had made a 360 degree to which I replied affirmative. After arrival I was requested to call the tower. While talking with the controller, a conference call to ind was established. Ind informed me that they had had traffic following me for pkb and that there could have been a possible conflict. Although we heard ind talking to other aircraft, we were never advised of any potential problem or even of any other area traffic. In retrospect, although I asked the first officer to inform the tower of the intended 360 degrees, I don't recall that transmission. Had ZID apprised us of the following traffic, we could have avoided the problem. This was a classic case of lack of communications on both parts. There was no close call, but the possibility existed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UNKNOWN CORPORATE ACFT WAS HIGH DUE TO LATE DSCNT CLRNC WHEN APCH CTLR TURNED FLC OVER TO TWR CTLR. TWR CTLR TOLD THEM CLRED FOR STRAIGHT-IN VISUAL AND TO RPT THE RIVER. BECAUSE THEY WERE HIGH RPTR CAPT DID A 360 DEG TURN FOR LOSS OF ALT, TWR QUESTIONED THEIR ACTION BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ACFT FOLLOWING THEM. TFC WAS UNKNOWN TO FLC.
Narrative: ENRTE FROM CLE TO PKB, WE WERE CLRED FOR DSCNT INTO PKB. OP WAS IFR, THROUGH ZID, AND IN CAVU CONDITIONS. DUE TO A DELAY IN THE DSCNT CLRNC, WE ARRIVED IN THE PKB AREA TOO HIGH FOR THE EXPECTED STRAIGHT-IN VISUAL APCH TO RWY 21. ZID TERMINATED RADAR SVC AT 6000 FT AND INSTRUCTED US TO CONTACT PKB TWR, WHICH ISSUED A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 21 AND TO RPT 'XING THE RIVER.' DUE TO THE ALT AND PROX, I ELECTED TO MAKE A DSNDING 360 DEG TURN FOR POS. AFTER RPTING THE RIVER INBOUND, TWR ASKED IF WE HAD MADE A 360 DEG TO WHICH I REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE. AFTER ARR I WAS REQUESTED TO CALL THE TWR. WHILE TALKING WITH THE CTLR, A CONFERENCE CALL TO IND WAS ESTABLISHED. IND INFORMED ME THAT THEY HAD HAD TFC FOLLOWING ME FOR PKB AND THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A POSSIBLE CONFLICT. ALTHOUGH WE HEARD IND TALKING TO OTHER ACFT, WE WERE NEVER ADVISED OF ANY POTENTIAL PROB OR EVEN OF ANY OTHER AREA TFC. IN RETROSPECT, ALTHOUGH I ASKED THE FO TO INFORM THE TWR OF THE INTENDED 360 DEGS, I DON'T RECALL THAT XMISSION. HAD ZID APPRISED US OF THE FOLLOWING TFC, WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THE PROB. THIS WAS A CLASSIC CASE OF LACK OF COMS ON BOTH PARTS. THERE WAS NO CLOSE CALL, BUT THE POSSIBILITY EXISTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.