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Cpr beech jet started descent late and due to winds and anti-ice requirements they were high at the crossing restr. Controller was advised but did not offer any off course vectors to assist. Flight crew seemed upset about that point.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 363630 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199703 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ard |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 5 |
| ASRS Report | 363630 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 75 |
| ASRS Report | 363628 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Level FL350 and had a clearance to cross 25 mi south ard at 11000 ft and 250 KTS. We had just received ATIS for teb and were talking about the WX conditions and runway conditions as they had freezing rain and ice pellets. While talking about the WX we were a little late starting down. With the strong tailwind and the requirement to use wing and engine anti-ice, we never could get back on profile. We advised ATC that we would be tight on the crossing restr, and she stated she knew that. We missed the crossing restr by approximately 3 NM. If the controller knew we were high on the descent, it would have been nice to have a reminder from her about the crossing restr. She did not have a lot of traffic on the frequency. I feel this should be a team effort (CRM) from cockpit down to the ground. Supplemental information from acn 363628: we were never given any reminders nor given a possible off route vector which we would have gladly accepted.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR BEECH JET STARTED DSCNT LATE AND DUE TO WINDS AND ANTI-ICE REQUIREMENTS THEY WERE HIGH AT THE XING RESTR. CTLR WAS ADVISED BUT DID NOT OFFER ANY OFF COURSE VECTORS TO ASSIST. FLC SEEMED UPSET ABOUT THAT POINT.
Narrative: LEVEL FL350 AND HAD A CLRNC TO CROSS 25 MI S ARD AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. WE HAD JUST RECEIVED ATIS FOR TEB AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WX CONDITIONS AND RWY CONDITIONS AS THEY HAD FREEZING RAIN AND ICE PELLETS. WHILE TALKING ABOUT THE WX WE WERE A LITTLE LATE STARTING DOWN. WITH THE STRONG TAILWIND AND THE REQUIREMENT TO USE WING AND ENG ANTI-ICE, WE NEVER COULD GET BACK ON PROFILE. WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE WOULD BE TIGHT ON THE XING RESTR, AND SHE STATED SHE KNEW THAT. WE MISSED THE XING RESTR BY APPROX 3 NM. IF THE CTLR KNEW WE WERE HIGH ON THE DSCNT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A REMINDER FROM HER ABOUT THE XING RESTR. SHE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF TFC ON THE FREQ. I FEEL THIS SHOULD BE A TEAM EFFORT (CRM) FROM COCKPIT DOWN TO THE GND. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 363628: WE WERE NEVER GIVEN ANY REMINDERS NOR GIVEN A POSSIBLE OFF RTE VECTOR WHICH WE WOULD HAVE GLADLY ACCEPTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.