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B737 first officer report regarding a communication problem obtaining an amended clearance for a visual approach and circling after IAP lda approach to petersburg airport, ak. Cites ARTCC FSS interfacility coordination requirements as overwhelming.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 363746 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199703 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : psg |
| State Reference | AK |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1540 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zan tracon : mwh |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : circling approach : visual arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 363746 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Flying lda DME C to psg airport, to 1000 ft MSL runway 22 minimums. Wind in southeast was southeasterly at 15-25 KTS. Psg airport is in wind shadow (runway 4/22) and generally has 2 tailwinds with southeast winds. WX during approach allowed either 4 or 22 minimums. Usual procedure is to accept initial tailwind for runway 22. Today, wind advertised as 120 degrees at 8 KTS, shadow effect. Wind in fpn NDB area showed in excess of 35 KTS. I felt this was too much tailwind for runway 22 as it wrapped around terrain for quartering tailwind. I had flown down to runway 22 minimums into VMC conditions starting at 1500 ft MSL. I opted to circle for runway 4 since wind in narrows showed 10-15 KTS. MDA is 1300 ft for runway 4. Options: cancel IFR (WX is VFR), get visual approach, miss approach. Since I've already leveled at 1000 ft, I've ruled out a circle, radio contact with zan requires dialing up another frequency and is probably not going to get through due to line-of-sight. Sitka rco (radio) is too slow to respond (sitka has warning traffic too as well numerous other rco's and situation traffic). To cancel or get a visual approach from center requires situation radio to get my request, call center, wait for center reply, get back to me (140 KTS). Answer: miss approach. Safe? Efficient, economical, practical? No. With a frequency for AWOS, CTAF, company and situation radio, there is no way to amend a clearance to us any of the legal options to preclude a missed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 FO RPT REGARDING A COM PROB OBTAINING AN AMENDED CLRNC FOR A VISUAL APCH AND CIRCLING AFTER IAP LDA APCH TO PETERSBURG ARPT, AK. CITES ARTCC FSS INTERFAC COORD REQUIREMENTS AS OVERWHELMING.
Narrative: FLYING LDA DME C TO PSG ARPT, TO 1000 FT MSL RWY 22 MINIMUMS. WIND IN SE WAS SOUTHEASTERLY AT 15-25 KTS. PSG ARPT IS IN WIND SHADOW (RWY 4/22) AND GENERALLY HAS 2 TAILWINDS WITH SE WINDS. WX DURING APCH ALLOWED EITHER 4 OR 22 MINIMUMS. USUAL PROC IS TO ACCEPT INITIAL TAILWIND FOR RWY 22. TODAY, WIND ADVERTISED AS 120 DEGS AT 8 KTS, SHADOW EFFECT. WIND IN FPN NDB AREA SHOWED IN EXCESS OF 35 KTS. I FELT THIS WAS TOO MUCH TAILWIND FOR RWY 22 AS IT WRAPPED AROUND TERRAIN FOR QUARTERING TAILWIND. I HAD FLOWN DOWN TO RWY 22 MINIMUMS INTO VMC CONDITIONS STARTING AT 1500 FT MSL. I OPTED TO CIRCLE FOR RWY 4 SINCE WIND IN NARROWS SHOWED 10-15 KTS. MDA IS 1300 FT FOR RWY 4. OPTIONS: CANCEL IFR (WX IS VFR), GET VISUAL APCH, MISS APCH. SINCE I'VE ALREADY LEVELED AT 1000 FT, I'VE RULED OUT A CIRCLE, RADIO CONTACT WITH ZAN REQUIRES DIALING UP ANOTHER FREQ AND IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH DUE TO LINE-OF-SIGHT. SITKA RCO (RADIO) IS TOO SLOW TO RESPOND (SITKA HAS WARNING TFC TOO AS WELL NUMEROUS OTHER RCO'S AND SIT TFC). TO CANCEL OR GET A VISUAL APCH FROM CTR REQUIRES SIT RADIO TO GET MY REQUEST, CALL CTR, WAIT FOR CTR REPLY, GET BACK TO ME (140 KTS). ANSWER: MISS APCH. SAFE? EFFICIENT, ECONOMICAL, PRACTICAL? NO. WITH A FREQ FOR AWOS, CTAF, COMPANY AND SIT RADIO, THERE IS NO WAY TO AMEND A CLRNC TO US ANY OF THE LEGAL OPTIONS TO PRECLUDE A MISSED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.