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Attributes | |
ACN | 364583 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1600 agl bound upper : 1600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 364583 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : equipment problem dissipated |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I was the captain of an air carrier airlines DC9 from mci to cle. It was my leg. The ATIS reported the WX to be winds 250 degrees at 19 KTS gusting to 27 KTS, ceiling 9 overcast, visibility 4 with mist. The approach was the ILS to runway 23L. Approach had instructed us to maintain 170 KTS to the marker and contact tower there. Just outside the marker, we switched to tower frequency, but someone was talking so we were unable to check in. At the marker I called for 'gear down, landing checklist.' it was then that we got full down deflection of the GS followed by an immediate full deflection up of the GS. It then centered. Fortunately, I disconnected the autoplt as soon as the GS started to take its dive. I maintained my rate of descent during the 3 seconds or so that the slope was erratic. There were no flags. Since this happened at 1600 ft AGL, you can understand how it got our attention. When we were able to check in with tower to obtain landing clearance, we complained about it and they said it happened because someone taxied in front of the transmitter. After landing, I asked ground about this, and they said they don't have to protect the ILS unless the WX is less than 800 ft 2 mi. I consider this practice to be dangerous! Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. At a minimum, they should warn you that it might happen. Fixing this kind of problem is right up your alley. I would be glad to discuss this with anyone at any time. I also waive my anonymity.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 ACFT ON ILS APCH IN IMC, JUST PRIOR TO MARKER GS DEFLECTION, FULL DOWN AND THEN FULL UP. FLC DISCONNECTED AUTOPLT IMMEDIATELY AND MAINTAINED DSCNT RATE. FLC COMPLAINED TO TWR WHO SAID THE CAUSE WAS AN ACFT TAXIING IN FRONT OF THE XMITTER. GND CTLR ADVISED FLC THAT THE ILS XMITTER NEED NOT BE PROTECTED WHEN WX WAS AT LEAST 800 FT AND 2 MI VISIBILITY.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT OF AN ACR AIRLINES DC9 FROM MCI TO CLE. IT WAS MY LEG. THE ATIS RPTED THE WX TO BE WINDS 250 DEGS AT 19 KTS GUSTING TO 27 KTS, CEILING 9 OVCST, VISIBILITY 4 WITH MIST. THE APCH WAS THE ILS TO RWY 23L. APCH HAD INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN 170 KTS TO THE MARKER AND CONTACT TWR THERE. JUST OUTSIDE THE MARKER, WE SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ, BUT SOMEONE WAS TALKING SO WE WERE UNABLE TO CHK IN. AT THE MARKER I CALLED FOR 'GEAR DOWN, LNDG CHKLIST.' IT WAS THEN THAT WE GOT FULL DOWN DEFLECTION OF THE GS FOLLOWED BY AN IMMEDIATE FULL DEFLECTION UP OF THE GS. IT THEN CTRED. FORTUNATELY, I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AS SOON AS THE GS STARTED TO TAKE ITS DIVE. I MAINTAINED MY RATE OF DSCNT DURING THE 3 SECONDS OR SO THAT THE SLOPE WAS ERRATIC. THERE WERE NO FLAGS. SINCE THIS HAPPENED AT 1600 FT AGL, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT GOT OUR ATTN. WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO CHK IN WITH TWR TO OBTAIN LNDG CLRNC, WE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID IT HAPPENED BECAUSE SOMEONE TAXIED IN FRONT OF THE XMITTER. AFTER LNDG, I ASKED GND ABOUT THIS, AND THEY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROTECT THE ILS UNLESS THE WX IS LESS THAN 800 FT 2 MI. I CONSIDER THIS PRACTICE TO BE DANGEROUS! JUST BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL, DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. AT A MINIMUM, THEY SHOULD WARN YOU THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN. FIXING THIS KIND OF PROB IS RIGHT UP YOUR ALLEY. I WOULD BE GLAD TO DISCUSS THIS WITH ANYONE AT ANY TIME. I ALSO WAIVE MY ANONYMITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.