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Attributes | |
ACN | 365137 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pbi |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia tracon : pbi tower : mci |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340B |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 365137 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified cockpit |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2600 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
In sum: en route to pbi from mia, mia approach had informed us of a target at 12 O'clock at 3000 ft. Mia then turned us over to pbi. Pbi reconfirmed the target. Was issued a descent to 3500 ft and the target was on TCASII. Shortly after the clearance was issued the target disappeared from the TCASII. A TCASII RA sounded. It issued a climb command and I began complying. I caught a glimpse of the intruder before the nose blocked my view. It appeared to be a biplane inverted or performing a roll at the top of a loop or other vertical maneuver. Pbi was advised we were complying with a RA advisory. We returned to our altitude once we were clear of conflict. Approach made no mention as to whether they had contact with the aerobatic traffic. We were given a further descent shortly thereafter. The above maneuver did not require abrupt inputs. Flight attendants reported no problems in the cabin. The antenna position relative to each aircraft is still a problem with keeping TCASII targets on the screen constantly. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: when observing a target for a period of time we then had the target drop off. It may be the position of the antennas installed on the airplane. When asked if the airplane was equipped with a digital or analog air data computer the reporter said he could not be certain of the type. The reason for the question being the analog output to the mode 'south' transponder is getting hung up looking at the analog altitude input every time it receives an interrogation. In a high density area this delay causes drop-outs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A SAAB 340B RPTED TCASII TARGETS DROPPING OUT IN BUSY TERMINAL AREAS.
Narrative: IN SUM: ENRTE TO PBI FROM MIA, MIA APCH HAD INFORMED US OF A TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK AT 3000 FT. MIA THEN TURNED US OVER TO PBI. PBI RECONFIRMED THE TARGET. WAS ISSUED A DSCNT TO 3500 FT AND THE TARGET WAS ON TCASII. SHORTLY AFTER THE CLRNC WAS ISSUED THE TARGET DISAPPEARED FROM THE TCASII. A TCASII RA SOUNDED. IT ISSUED A CLB COMMAND AND I BEGAN COMPLYING. I CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE INTRUDER BEFORE THE NOSE BLOCKED MY VIEW. IT APPEARED TO BE A BIPLANE INVERTED OR PERFORMING A ROLL AT THE TOP OF A LOOP OR OTHER VERT MANEUVER. PBI WAS ADVISED WE WERE COMPLYING WITH A RA ADVISORY. WE RETURNED TO OUR ALT ONCE WE WERE CLR OF CONFLICT. APCH MADE NO MENTION AS TO WHETHER THEY HAD CONTACT WITH THE AEROBATIC TFC. WE WERE GIVEN A FURTHER DSCNT SHORTLY THEREAFTER. THE ABOVE MANEUVER DID NOT REQUIRE ABRUPT INPUTS. FLT ATTENDANTS RPTED NO PROBS IN THE CABIN. THE ANTENNA POS RELATIVE TO EACH ACFT IS STILL A PROB WITH KEEPING TCASII TARGETS ON THE SCREEN CONSTANTLY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: WHEN OBSERVING A TARGET FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WE THEN HAD THE TARGET DROP OFF. IT MAY BE THE POS OF THE ANTENNAS INSTALLED ON THE AIRPLANE. WHEN ASKED IF THE AIRPLANE WAS EQUIPPED WITH A DIGITAL OR ANALOG AIR DATA COMPUTER THE RPTR SAID HE COULD NOT BE CERTAIN OF THE TYPE. THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION BEING THE ANALOG OUTPUT TO THE MODE 'S' XPONDER IS GETTING HUNG UP LOOKING AT THE ANALOG ALT INPUT EVERY TIME IT RECEIVES AN INTERROGATION. IN A HIGH DENSITY AREA THIS DELAY CAUSES DROP-OUTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.