<< >> NASA ASRS Report 366104, April 1997

Reporter claims atl approach is using a new handling technique of having aircraft slowed to 210 KTS at 14K and 180 KTS at 12K.

Attributes
ACN	366104
Time
Date	199704
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : odf airport : atl
State Reference	GA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : atl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-88
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	366104
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Our old buddies in atl have come up with a new handling technique. Following in the footsteps of mandatory 'follow the preceding aircraft' visuals, they now have dirty above 10000 ft MSL. They have aircraft slowed down to 210 KTS at 14K. Usually it's also 180 KTS at 12K. This all starts approximately 30 NM from field. This results in high fuel burns and increased flight times with the associated delays. Flying around high with flaps out and the nose cocked up is not the most comfortable maneuver from the cockpit let alone from the passenger seats.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RPTR CLAIMS ATL APCH IS USING A NEW HANDLING TECHNIQUE OF HAVING ACFT SLOWED TO 210 KTS AT 14K AND 180 KTS AT 12K.

Narrative: OUR OLD BUDDIES IN ATL HAVE COME UP WITH A NEW HANDLING TECHNIQUE. FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF MANDATORY 'FOLLOW THE PRECEDING ACFT' VISUALS, THEY NOW HAVE DIRTY ABOVE 10000 FT MSL. THEY HAVE ACFT SLOWED DOWN TO 210 KTS AT 14K. USUALLY IT'S ALSO 180 KTS AT 12K. THIS ALL STARTS APPROX 30 NM FROM FIELD. THIS RESULTS IN HIGH FUEL BURNS AND INCREASED FLT TIMES WITH THE ASSOCIATED DELAYS. FLYING AROUND HIGH WITH FLAPS OUT AND THE NOSE COCKED UP IS NOT THE MOST COMFORTABLE MANEUVER FROM THE COCKPIT LET ALONE FROM THE PAX SEATS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.