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B747-400 captain getting IOE training descending to 3000 ft. Check pilot having problems copying ATIS and thought altimeter setting 986, set 29 pt 86. Should be 0986 hectopascals. Controller questioned altitude as TCASII gave a TA. Climbed to 3000 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 367932 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199705 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ams |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ams |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 367932 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I am an instructor on the B747-400 and was giving a new captain IOE from the right seat. While on the approach to ams, I copied the ams ATIS, which was very difficult to understand. I could not copy the altimeter setting at all the first time. I listened a second time and caught '986.' we were both tired after a long night from the united states (dtw-ams). I meant to ask the controller about the altimeter setting but got distraction. We both set 29.86 inches. The actual reading should have been 0986 hectopascals. We were given a descent to 3000 ft. Approaching 3000 ft indicated, the ams controller asked us why we did not level at 3000 ft. Actually we were about 2500 ft at that time. About this same time our TCASII system went off with a TA, followed by an RA. We immediately climbed back to the proper 3000 ft and continued the approach with no other problems. I think this incident was caused because of being tired, giving IOE and a 2 pilot cockpit. (Very busy during the approach phase of flight.) a printed ATIS from our acar system will help in the future.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-400 CAPT GETTING IOE TRAINING DSNDING TO 3000 FT. CHK PLT HAVING PROBS COPYING ATIS AND THOUGHT ALTIMETER SETTING 986, SET 29 PT 86. SHOULD BE 0986 HECTOPASCALS. CTLR QUESTIONED ALT AS TCASII GAVE A TA. CLBED TO 3000 FT.
Narrative: I AM AN INSTRUCTOR ON THE B747-400 AND WAS GIVING A NEW CAPT IOE FROM THE R SEAT. WHILE ON THE APCH TO AMS, I COPIED THE AMS ATIS, WHICH WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. I COULD NOT COPY THE ALTIMETER SETTING AT ALL THE FIRST TIME. I LISTENED A SECOND TIME AND CAUGHT '986.' WE WERE BOTH TIRED AFTER A LONG NIGHT FROM THE UNITED STATES (DTW-AMS). I MEANT TO ASK THE CTLR ABOUT THE ALTIMETER SETTING BUT GOT DISTR. WE BOTH SET 29.86 INCHES. THE ACTUAL READING SHOULD HAVE BEEN 0986 HECTOPASCALS. WE WERE GIVEN A DSCNT TO 3000 FT. APCHING 3000 FT INDICATED, THE AMS CTLR ASKED US WHY WE DID NOT LEVEL AT 3000 FT. ACTUALLY WE WERE ABOUT 2500 FT AT THAT TIME. ABOUT THIS SAME TIME OUR TCASII SYS WENT OFF WITH A TA, FOLLOWED BY AN RA. WE IMMEDIATELY CLBED BACK TO THE PROPER 3000 FT AND CONTINUED THE APCH WITH NO OTHER PROBS. I THINK THIS INCIDENT WAS CAUSED BECAUSE OF BEING TIRED, GIVING IOE AND A 2 PLT COCKPIT. (VERY BUSY DURING THE APCH PHASE OF FLT.) A PRINTED ATIS FROM OUR ACAR SYS WILL HELP IN THE FUTURE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.