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Pilot of a piper, PA28, warrior, took off from an uncontrolled airport when another aircraft was on final. The reporter believed that the aircraft pilot on final had given him the go ahead when it was really another pilot of a piper PA28-180, that was waiting for takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 372671 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199706 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : vay |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 8 flight time total : 127 flight time type : 110 |
| ASRS Report | 372671 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Leaving vay airport. Did run-up in area away from runway, then taxied to runway 8. A cherokee 180 was just starting his run-up. Asked cherokee 180 if it would be ok to take the runway as we were ready to go -- he said ok. Aircraft #2 was on downwind at this time. The taxiway at vay ends approximately 1000 ft from runway end (runway 8), requiring a 1000 ft back taxi. I announced on CTAF I was back-taxiing. By the time we were 2/3 of the way to departure end, aircraft #2 turned final. I expedited taxi to runway end, and saw that there was a semi- circular area where I could stop and remain clear of main runway. I radioed 'south jersey traffic, landing aircraft, I'll pull off in the run-up area to give you room.' the aircraft responded 'go ahead, we're slow anyway.' I turned my aircraft and departed. Aircraft #2 landed without event, at least, he did not announce a go around. As I was climbing out, the cherokee 180 announced he was departing, and I noticed the voice sounded like the one that had told me to 'go ahead.' apparently the cherokee 180 had misunderstood my call to aircraft #2, and had answered assuming I was offering to let him depart first. While there was no accident or near miss, this could have been a serious situation resulting in a collision. The problem arose because I didn't want to wait for aircraft #2 to land, partly because the rental aircraft I was flying was due back at 3n6 at XA00 local, and partly because of the confusion of who should depart first that would have resulted with the cherokee 180. The C152 that departed before us made an intersection departure, but the temperature was 85 degrees F and we were near maximum gross, so I wanted the full runway. I also could have broken the chain of events by holding in the runway end run-up area, regardless of the radio reply. I could have avoided the situation altogether by not taking the runway until aircraft #2 had landed and then allowing the cherokee 180 to go first if he was ready.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF A PIPER, PA28, WARRIOR, TOOK OFF FROM AN UNCTLED ARPT WHEN ANOTHER ACFT WAS ON FINAL. THE RPTR BELIEVED THAT THE ACFT PLT ON FINAL HAD GIVEN HIM THE GO AHEAD WHEN IT WAS REALLY ANOTHER PLT OF A PIPER PA28-180, THAT WAS WAITING FOR TKOF.
Narrative: LEAVING VAY ARPT. DID RUN-UP IN AREA AWAY FROM RWY, THEN TAXIED TO RWY 8. A CHEROKEE 180 WAS JUST STARTING HIS RUN-UP. ASKED CHEROKEE 180 IF IT WOULD BE OK TO TAKE THE RWY AS WE WERE READY TO GO -- HE SAID OK. ACFT #2 WAS ON DOWNWIND AT THIS TIME. THE TXWY AT VAY ENDS APPROX 1000 FT FROM RWY END (RWY 8), REQUIRING A 1000 FT BACK TAXI. I ANNOUNCED ON CTAF I WAS BACK-TAXIING. BY THE TIME WE WERE 2/3 OF THE WAY TO DEP END, ACFT #2 TURNED FINAL. I EXPEDITED TAXI TO RWY END, AND SAW THAT THERE WAS A SEMI- CIRCULAR AREA WHERE I COULD STOP AND REMAIN CLR OF MAIN RWY. I RADIOED 'SOUTH JERSEY TFC, LNDG ACFT, I'LL PULL OFF IN THE RUN-UP AREA TO GIVE YOU ROOM.' THE ACFT RESPONDED 'GO AHEAD, WE'RE SLOW ANYWAY.' I TURNED MY ACFT AND DEPARTED. ACFT #2 LANDED WITHOUT EVENT, AT LEAST, HE DID NOT ANNOUNCE A GAR. AS I WAS CLBING OUT, THE CHEROKEE 180 ANNOUNCED HE WAS DEPARTING, AND I NOTICED THE VOICE SOUNDED LIKE THE ONE THAT HAD TOLD ME TO 'GO AHEAD.' APPARENTLY THE CHEROKEE 180 HAD MISUNDERSTOOD MY CALL TO ACFT #2, AND HAD ANSWERED ASSUMING I WAS OFFERING TO LET HIM DEPART FIRST. WHILE THERE WAS NO ACCIDENT OR NEAR MISS, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A SERIOUS SIT RESULTING IN A COLLISION. THE PROB AROSE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT FOR ACFT #2 TO LAND, PARTLY BECAUSE THE RENTAL ACFT I WAS FLYING WAS DUE BACK AT 3N6 AT XA00 LCL, AND PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION OF WHO SHOULD DEPART FIRST THAT WOULD HAVE RESULTED WITH THE CHEROKEE 180. THE C152 THAT DEPARTED BEFORE US MADE AN INTXN DEP, BUT THE TEMP WAS 85 DEGS F AND WE WERE NEAR MAX GROSS, SO I WANTED THE FULL RWY. I ALSO COULD HAVE BROKEN THE CHAIN OF EVENTS BY HOLDING IN THE RWY END RUN-UP AREA, REGARDLESS OF THE RADIO REPLY. I COULD HAVE AVOIDED THE SIT ALTOGETHER BY NOT TAKING THE RWY UNTIL ACFT #2 HAD LANDED AND THEN ALLOWING THE CHEROKEE 180 TO GO FIRST IF HE WAS READY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.