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ATCT local controller instructed a C172 to hold short of taxiway a for an air carrier DC9 taxiing on taxiway a. The C172 started to cross the taxiway without a clearance and the DC9 had to swerve to miss the C172. Subsequent phone call from the spi in the C172 indicated his instructor had told him to 'help' the tower when he felt he could and that was the FBO policy. The DC9 pilot was angry when he called the tower. Reporter alleges that facility management is aware of the problem, but has done nothing to correct the FBO policy.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 374595 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199707 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : koa |
| State Reference | HI |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 374595 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 125 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
C172 is part of a small FBO who trains new pilots. The aircraft had been operating in the touch-and-go pattern. The student and instructor were on board. The cessna made a full stop on runway 17. The student was instructed to turn right at taxiway G and hold short of taxiway a for a taxiing DC9 on taxiway a. The student read back the instructions. The cessna turned onto taxiway G from runway 17 and appeared to slow down. Then it was observed to speed up toward taxiway a putting it into a collision course with the DC9. The ATC specialist instructed the cessna to stop. The cessna did, but had crossed the hold line. The DC9 had to move to the right of taxiway a to get by. When asked on the radio, the student did state he had heard and understood his instructions. The student called the tower, as instructed. In the conversation he stated his instructors have taught him to 'help out' the controllers whenever he felt he could. He was certain he could 'beat out' the DC9. The instructor supported the student's viewpoint. The DC9 pilot called, unsolicited by us, and he was angry. There are ways to 'help out,' accurate position reports, etc, but not following an ATC instruction is not help. Neither the instructor nor student would agree with this. This is a continual problem here with the FBO's, and the potential of an accident only grows worse if it continues. Atm refuses to help correct this or acknowledge it as a problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATCT LCL CTLR INSTRUCTED A C172 TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY A FOR AN ACR DC9 TAXIING ON TXWY A. THE C172 STARTED TO CROSS THE TXWY WITHOUT A CLRNC AND THE DC9 HAD TO SWERVE TO MISS THE C172. SUBSEQUENT PHONE CALL FROM THE SPI IN THE C172 INDICATED HIS INSTRUCTOR HAD TOLD HIM TO 'HELP' THE TWR WHEN HE FELT HE COULD AND THAT WAS THE FBO POLICY. THE DC9 PLT WAS ANGRY WHEN HE CALLED THE TWR. RPTR ALLEGES THAT FACILITY MGMNT IS AWARE OF THE PROB, BUT HAS DONE NOTHING TO CORRECT THE FBO POLICY.
Narrative: C172 IS PART OF A SMALL FBO WHO TRAINS NEW PLTS. THE ACFT HAD BEEN OPERATING IN THE TOUCH-AND-GO PATTERN. THE STUDENT AND INSTRUCTOR WERE ON BOARD. THE CESSNA MADE A FULL STOP ON RWY 17. THE STUDENT WAS INSTRUCTED TO TURN R AT TXWY G AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY A FOR A TAXIING DC9 ON TXWY A. THE STUDENT READ BACK THE INSTRUCTIONS. THE CESSNA TURNED ONTO TXWY G FROM RWY 17 AND APPEARED TO SLOW DOWN. THEN IT WAS OBSERVED TO SPD UP TOWARD TXWY A PUTTING IT INTO A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE DC9. THE ATC SPECIALIST INSTRUCTED THE CESSNA TO STOP. THE CESSNA DID, BUT HAD CROSSED THE HOLD LINE. THE DC9 HAD TO MOVE TO THE R OF TXWY A TO GET BY. WHEN ASKED ON THE RADIO, THE STUDENT DID STATE HE HAD HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD HIS INSTRUCTIONS. THE STUDENT CALLED THE TWR, AS INSTRUCTED. IN THE CONVERSATION HE STATED HIS INSTRUCTORS HAVE TAUGHT HIM TO 'HELP OUT' THE CTLRS WHENEVER HE FELT HE COULD. HE WAS CERTAIN HE COULD 'BEAT OUT' THE DC9. THE INSTRUCTOR SUPPORTED THE STUDENT'S VIEWPOINT. THE DC9 PLT CALLED, UNSOLICITED BY US, AND HE WAS ANGRY. THERE ARE WAYS TO 'HELP OUT,' ACCURATE POS RPTS, ETC, BUT NOT FOLLOWING AN ATC INSTRUCTION IS NOT HELP. NEITHER THE INSTRUCTOR NOR STUDENT WOULD AGREE WITH THIS. THIS IS A CONTINUAL PROB HERE WITH THE FBO'S, AND THE POTENTIAL OF AN ACCIDENT ONLY GROWS WORSE IF IT CONTINUES. ATM REFUSES TO HELP CORRECT THIS OR ACKNOWLEDGE IT AS A PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.