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Attributes | |
ACN | 376892 |
Time | |
Date | 199708 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 376892 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 377100 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My first time to jfk. I am employed by company that owns airplane. We use 2 crew members even though only 1 is required. Deadhead leg so I allowed other pilot to fly. He is qualified as PIC in aircraft. After a busy VOR runway 13L/right approach into jfk, we were given runway 13R instead of the expected runway 13L. This change occurred within 4 mi of the airport. The approach and landing was in good VFR conditions. On landing, we realized we landed short of the touchdown area, although on a lighted portion of the runway. No NOTAM or ATIS advisory about the displaced threshold. On very short final, after landing lights became effective, we saw arrows on the surface. By then, we had landed. I also realized later that I remember that the displaced threshold had alternating red and amber runway lights, although I didn't think about the significance at the time. There was no VASI for the runway and very dim green lights to mark the beginning of the landing zone. Also, there is a line on the airport diagram that I noticed after the event. If I had seen that earlier, I still may not have understood its significance. New, busy airport at night with an unusual approach and high adrenaline caused a letdown with the runway assured. Supplemental information from acn 377100: attempting to taxi to GA. I thought I was closer than I was after exiting runway. I turned into air carrier ramp thinking the GA area was off of that. Instead, the GA was west several thousand ft. I thought I saw business jets on the other side of a blast fence. I was a little tense and upset after the landing and should have asked for a progressive even for a short taxi.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT CPR ACFT LNDG JFK FIRST TIME AND FLC LANDED SHORT OF DISPLACED THRESHOLD. SECOND RPT RELATED TO MISTAKEN TAXI AFTER LNDG.
Narrative: MY FIRST TIME TO JFK. I AM EMPLOYED BY COMPANY THAT OWNS AIRPLANE. WE USE 2 CREW MEMBERS EVEN THOUGH ONLY 1 IS REQUIRED. DEADHEAD LEG SO I ALLOWED OTHER PLT TO FLY. HE IS QUALIFIED AS PIC IN ACFT. AFTER A BUSY VOR RWY 13L/R APCH INTO JFK, WE WERE GIVEN RWY 13R INSTEAD OF THE EXPECTED RWY 13L. THIS CHANGE OCCURRED WITHIN 4 MI OF THE ARPT. THE APCH AND LNDG WAS IN GOOD VFR CONDITIONS. ON LNDG, WE REALIZED WE LANDED SHORT OF THE TOUCHDOWN AREA, ALTHOUGH ON A LIGHTED PORTION OF THE RWY. NO NOTAM OR ATIS ADVISORY ABOUT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. ON VERY SHORT FINAL, AFTER LNDG LIGHTS BECAME EFFECTIVE, WE SAW ARROWS ON THE SURFACE. BY THEN, WE HAD LANDED. I ALSO REALIZED LATER THAT I REMEMBER THAT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD HAD ALTERNATING RED AND AMBER RWY LIGHTS, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE AT THE TIME. THERE WAS NO VASI FOR THE RWY AND VERY DIM GREEN LIGHTS TO MARK THE BEGINNING OF THE LNDG ZONE. ALSO, THERE IS A LINE ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM THAT I NOTICED AFTER THE EVENT. IF I HAD SEEN THAT EARLIER, I STILL MAY NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD ITS SIGNIFICANCE. NEW, BUSY ARPT AT NIGHT WITH AN UNUSUAL APCH AND HIGH ADRENALINE CAUSED A LETDOWN WITH THE RWY ASSURED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 377100: ATTEMPTING TO TAXI TO GA. I THOUGHT I WAS CLOSER THAN I WAS AFTER EXITING RWY. I TURNED INTO ACR RAMP THINKING THE GA AREA WAS OFF OF THAT. INSTEAD, THE GA WAS W SEVERAL THOUSAND FT. I THOUGHT I SAW BUSINESS JETS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A BLAST FENCE. I WAS A LITTLE TENSE AND UPSET AFTER THE LNDG AND SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR A PROGRESSIVE EVEN FOR A SHORT TAXI.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.