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A super MD80 flying into sna, is concerned about lax, ca, TRACON's ability to keep track of all assigned traffic during times of high demand.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 381820 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199710 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : sna |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 381820 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Time: XX12. Approach control frequency. ATC facility: socal approach. Location: sli/070/25. I am concerned that socal approach control may be so overloaded that when a handoff takes place between socal controllers, that information is lost. We were on the kayoh 3 arrival, and controller #1 cleared us direct to kayoh. We said we were not able to navigation directly to kayoh, so he gave us a 240 degree heading for the localizer. We then switched to controller #2, and he asked what our heading was. We told him, and he said that heading was to have been out of kayoh. He then gave us a 250 degree heading, vectors through the localizer, then back onto the localizer for a normal ILS. Someone did not communicate. In this case I am certain it was not an error on our part. I fear the socal approach control may be overloaded to the point that safety will eventually be compromised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A SUPER MD80 FLYING INTO SNA, IS CONCERNED ABOUT LAX, CA, TRACON'S ABILITY TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL ASSIGNED TFC DURING TIMES OF HIGH DEMAND.
Narrative: TIME: XX12. APCH CTL FREQ. ATC FACILITY: SOCAL APCH. LOCATION: SLI/070/25. I AM CONCERNED THAT SOCAL APCH CTL MAY BE SO OVERLOADED THAT WHEN A HDOF TAKES PLACE BTWN SOCAL CTLRS, THAT INFO IS LOST. WE WERE ON THE KAYOH 3 ARR, AND CTLR #1 CLRED US DIRECT TO KAYOH. WE SAID WE WERE NOT ABLE TO NAV DIRECTLY TO KAYOH, SO HE GAVE US A 240 DEG HDG FOR THE LOC. WE THEN SWITCHED TO CTLR #2, AND HE ASKED WHAT OUR HEADING WAS. WE TOLD HIM, AND HE SAID THAT HEADING WAS TO HAVE BEEN OUT OF KAYOH. HE THEN GAVE US A 250 DEG HDG, VECTORS THROUGH THE LOC, THEN BACK ONTO THE LOC FOR A NORMAL ILS. SOMEONE DID NOT COMMUNICATE. IN THIS CASE I AM CERTAIN IT WAS NOT AN ERROR ON OUR PART. I FEAR THE SOCAL APCH CTL MAY BE OVERLOADED TO THE POINT THAT SAFETY WILL EVENTUALLY BE COMPROMISED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.