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Attributes | |
ACN | 382570 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ama |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 382570 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ACARS weight and balance. Supplemental flight attendant on board, did not come up on ACARS weight and balance message. Did not notice until airborne. Not a safety factor for performance, but still should be accurate. Company procedures for weight and balance impossible to find regarding supplemental flight attendant. We tried for 30 mins to find reference in policy manual, aircraft manual and special bulletins. B737-400 normal flight attendants are 4 minimum 3. In this case we had 5. One in a passenger seat. Observer in cockpit said with 5, weight and balance should show extra flight attendant specifically and not show flight attendant as a passenger. We couldn't confirm with our manuals. It is rare to have a 5TH flight attendant. Recommend manuals must have an index plus less 'boiler plate.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A B737-400 FAILED TO INCLUDE AN EXTRA CABIN ATTENDANT ON THE FLT WT AND BAL MANIFEST, RESULTING IN AN INCORRECT WT AND BAL COMPUTATION ON DEP. RPTR COMPLAINS THAT THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE WT AND BAL COMPUTATION DATA FOR A 5TH CABIN ATTENDANT.
Narrative: ACARS WT AND BAL. SUPPLEMENTAL FLT ATTENDANT ON BOARD, DID NOT COME UP ON ACARS WT AND BAL MESSAGE. DID NOT NOTICE UNTIL AIRBORNE. NOT A SAFETY FACTOR FOR PERFORMANCE, BUT STILL SHOULD BE ACCURATE. COMPANY PROCS FOR WT AND BAL IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND REGARDING SUPPLEMENTAL FLT ATTENDANT. WE TRIED FOR 30 MINS TO FIND REF IN POLICY MANUAL, ACFT MANUAL AND SPECIAL BULLETINS. B737-400 NORMAL FLT ATTENDANTS ARE 4 MINIMUM 3. IN THIS CASE WE HAD 5. ONE IN A PAX SEAT. OBSERVER IN COCKPIT SAID WITH 5, WT AND BAL SHOULD SHOW EXTRA FLT ATTENDANT SPECIFICALLY AND NOT SHOW FLT ATTENDANT AS A PAX. WE COULDN'T CONFIRM WITH OUR MANUALS. IT IS RARE TO HAVE A 5TH FLT ATTENDANT. RECOMMEND MANUALS MUST HAVE AN INDEX PLUS LESS 'BOILER PLATE.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.