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Attributes | |
ACN | 384180 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sie |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 384180 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Received clearance to cross 50 mi northeast of sie at a specific altitude. PNF read back '5000 ft, 50 mi northeast of sie.' PF set 5000 ft in altitude reminder. Passing 6000 ft for 5000 ft the controller stated clearance was for 8000 ft 50 mi northeast of sie. He then 'reclred' us to maintain 5000 ft. Contributing factor -- if controller did indeed say '8000 ft,' our readback of '5000 ft' was not corrected. If controller erred by issuing 5000 ft by mistake, readback was also not corrected. Although controllers may not be required to confirm a readback I feel this may sometimes contribute to misunderstood clrncs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LTT FLC DSNDED TO 5000 FT AFTER RECEIVING A CLRNC AND READING IT BACK. THE CTLR RECLRED THE FLC TO 5000 FT.
Narrative: RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS 50 MI NE OF SIE AT A SPECIFIC ALT. PNF READ BACK '5000 FT, 50 MI NE OF SIE.' PF SET 5000 FT IN ALT REMINDER. PASSING 6000 FT FOR 5000 FT THE CTLR STATED CLRNC WAS FOR 8000 FT 50 MI NE OF SIE. HE THEN 'RECLRED' US TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT. CONTRIBUTING FACTOR -- IF CTLR DID INDEED SAY '8000 FT,' OUR READBACK OF '5000 FT' WAS NOT CORRECTED. IF CTLR ERRED BY ISSUING 5000 FT BY MISTAKE, READBACK WAS ALSO NOT CORRECTED. ALTHOUGH CTLRS MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO CONFIRM A READBACK I FEEL THIS MAY SOMETIMES CONTRIBUTE TO MISUNDERSTOOD CLRNCS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.