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Attributes | |
ACN | 384350 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hgo |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 23650 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 384350 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 384349 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZDV cleared our flight 'to descend to 24000 ft.' destination was cos. Cos ATIS said visual approachs to runway 35R were in progress. While descending through FL250, ZDV gave a confusing clearance, 'cleared to the petey OM.' we did not know where petey was. Upon searching the cos approach charts, I found petey to be the OM for runway 35L, which was closed. Runway 35R was in use. Very confusing. Our aircraft did not have an altitude capture function. Some of our fleet does. Due to the distractions, I missed leveling off at FL240, and descended a little below the altitude. ZDV then cleared us to descend to 14000 ft, then queried us about our assigned altitude at FL240. No conflict occurred. While I was in error for not leveling off at FL240, I feel ATC contributed to the altitude deviation by giving us a confusing clearance just when we needed to level off. Cos is still a fairly new destination for our airline. I have been to cos only once, and am unfamiliar with arrival procedures. Publishing a STAR to cos would help. Supplemental information from acn 384349: flight from msp to cos, received descent clearance to 24000 ft. Aircraft descended through 24000 ft to about 23650 ft before the captain and first officer realized we were below our cleared altitude. The captain was PF. First officer had the radios. I was the flight engineer and was 'out of the loop' at the time the 24000 ft clearance was given and at the time we descended through 24000 ft. (I was getting the ATIS when the clearance was given and giving a 'goodbye' PA at the time of the excursion.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B727 FLC DSNDED BELOW THEIR ASSIGNED ALT WHEN THE FLC BECAME DISTRACTED BY OTHER DUTIES AND FAILED TO LEVEL IN TIME. THIS ACFT DID NOT HAVE AN ALT CAPTURE MODE.
Narrative: ZDV CLRED OUR FLT 'TO DSND TO 24000 FT.' DEST WAS COS. COS ATIS SAID VISUAL APCHS TO RWY 35R WERE IN PROGRESS. WHILE DSNDING THROUGH FL250, ZDV GAVE A CONFUSING CLRNC, 'CLRED TO THE PETEY OM.' WE DID NOT KNOW WHERE PETEY WAS. UPON SEARCHING THE COS APCH CHARTS, I FOUND PETEY TO BE THE OM FOR RWY 35L, WHICH WAS CLOSED. RWY 35R WAS IN USE. VERY CONFUSING. OUR ACFT DID NOT HAVE AN ALT CAPTURE FUNCTION. SOME OF OUR FLEET DOES. DUE TO THE DISTRACTIONS, I MISSED LEVELING OFF AT FL240, AND DSNDED A LITTLE BELOW THE ALT. ZDV THEN CLRED US TO DSND TO 14000 FT, THEN QUERIED US ABOUT OUR ASSIGNED ALT AT FL240. NO CONFLICT OCCURRED. WHILE I WAS IN ERROR FOR NOT LEVELING OFF AT FL240, I FEEL ATC CONTRIBUTED TO THE ALTDEV BY GIVING US A CONFUSING CLRNC JUST WHEN WE NEEDED TO LEVEL OFF. COS IS STILL A FAIRLY NEW DEST FOR OUR AIRLINE. I HAVE BEEN TO COS ONLY ONCE, AND AM UNFAMILIAR WITH ARR PROCS. PUBLISHING A STAR TO COS WOULD HELP. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 384349: FLT FROM MSP TO COS, RECEIVED DSCNT CLRNC TO 24000 FT. ACFT DSNDED THROUGH 24000 FT TO ABOUT 23650 FT BEFORE THE CAPT AND FO REALIZED WE WERE BELOW OUR CLRED ALT. THE CAPT WAS PF. FO HAD THE RADIOS. I WAS THE FE AND WAS 'OUT OF THE LOOP' AT THE TIME THE 24000 FT CLRNC WAS GIVEN AND AT THE TIME WE DSNDED THROUGH 24000 FT. (I WAS GETTING THE ATIS WHEN THE CLRNC WAS GIVEN AND GIVING A 'GOODBYE' PA AT THE TIME OF THE EXCURSION.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.