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Attributes | |
ACN | 387432 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 250 msl bound upper : 250 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : phl tower : ilg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 387432 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 490 vertical : 490 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On approach to land on runway 27R at phl the tower asked us to slow for an aircraft to land on crossing runway 35. Due to very high winds, 320 degrees at 20 KTS, gusting to 30 KTS, we had a high approach speed required operationally. We told the tower we were at our approach speed and asked for the current wind to see if we could reduce any. We were able to reduce 5 KTS. At this point we started looking for the crossing traffic. When we finally spotted him we were on short final and at about 250 ft. So was the traffic. We thought he had the right-of-way being lower and slower and we decided after short discussion to go around. As we started our maneuver the tower issued a go around to the crossing traffic. Now we were once again pointed at each other. I now became very aggressive with pitch control and add full go around power. I didn't feel that the DH8 could climb at our rate. I did hear the tower telling the DH8 that we had gone around on our own. I believe this is still my right seeing an unsafe situation. I feel this could have all been avoided had the tower issued someone a go around 'before' 200 ft. Isn't this just a little close to each other and the ground to see that you can't fit 2 aircraft into the same space?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737 ON SHORT FINAL SAW AN ACR DH8 ON SHORT FINAL TO RWY 35 AND EXECUTED A GAR. AT THE SAME TIME THE TWR CTLR WAS GIVING THE DH8 A GAR AND AN NMAC OCCURRED. THE B737 RPTR FEELS THE TWR WAS TRYING TOO HARD TO FIT 2 ACFT INTO THE ARPT WITH MINIMUM SEPARATION.
Narrative: ON APCH TO LAND ON RWY 27R AT PHL THE TWR ASKED US TO SLOW FOR AN ACFT TO LAND ON XING RWY 35. DUE TO VERY HIGH WINDS, 320 DEGS AT 20 KTS, GUSTING TO 30 KTS, WE HAD A HIGH APCH SPD REQUIRED OPERATIONALLY. WE TOLD THE TWR WE WERE AT OUR APCH SPD AND ASKED FOR THE CURRENT WIND TO SEE IF WE COULD REDUCE ANY. WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE 5 KTS. AT THIS POINT WE STARTED LOOKING FOR THE XING TFC. WHEN WE FINALLY SPOTTED HIM WE WERE ON SHORT FINAL AND AT ABOUT 250 FT. SO WAS THE TFC. WE THOUGHT HE HAD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BEING LOWER AND SLOWER AND WE DECIDED AFTER SHORT DISCUSSION TO GAR. AS WE STARTED OUR MANEUVER THE TWR ISSUED A GAR TO THE XING TFC. NOW WE WERE ONCE AGAIN POINTED AT EACH OTHER. I NOW BECAME VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH PITCH CTL AND ADD FULL GAR PWR. I DIDN'T FEEL THAT THE DH8 COULD CLB AT OUR RATE. I DID HEAR THE TWR TELLING THE DH8 THAT WE HAD GONE AROUND ON OUR OWN. I BELIEVE THIS IS STILL MY RIGHT SEEING AN UNSAFE SIT. I FEEL THIS COULD HAVE ALL BEEN AVOIDED HAD THE TWR ISSUED SOMEONE A GAR 'BEFORE' 200 FT. ISN'T THIS JUST A LITTLE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND THE GND TO SEE THAT YOU CAN'T FIT 2 ACFT INTO THE SAME SPACE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.